Wes Streeting says Tories weaponising trans issues to win votes and score cheap headlines

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Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, said the prime minister was using equality “as a ‘wedge issue’ in an ugly culture war”.

Mr Streeting said: “We have a government, and a prime minister, who see an opportunity to use LGBT+ equality as a ‘wedge issue’ in an ugly culture war. Meanwhile, hate crimes against LGBT+ people are on the rise once again.

“The issues affecting young LGBT+ people today, and trans people in particular, are more complicated than when I was coming out.

“They demand leadership that handles them with care and sensitivity, rather than as a punchline or a way to score cheap headlines.”

Mr Streeting also warned that a hard-won consensus on LGBT+ equality “looks fragile at best”.

A spokesperson for the campaign group Conservatives for Women accused Mr Streeting of being “disingenuous”.

They said: “Women’s rights and child safeguarding are not part of an ‘ugly culture war’ and it is disingenuous to frame this issue that way. The prime minister has been very clear that he is fully supportive of maintaining women’s rights to single-sex services, spaces and sports, and we are grateful he can define the word ‘woman’ – something many of his opponents struggle with.”

Independent article reprinted in full by yahoo https://uk.news.yahoo.com/furious-row-rishi-sunak-accused-182202105.html Paragraphs above are ones I selected.

Interesting that someone in Labour is admitting that the Tories challenging the trans narrative is a vote winner. Does that mean Labour recognises that supporting women's rights is a vote winner?! And they would rather lose than support women's rights ... ?

The nasty, aggressive tone of the trans rights activists, and their inability to acknowledge a need to accommodate other groups who would be affected by their demands has turned off people who would ordinarily have been allies. I know a few people who are trans in real life and none of them are involved with this activism. Cynically I wonder if the instigators are even trans - more likely right wing agitators who are trying to collapse what was strong mainstream support for the LGBT community.

Pride was cancelled where I live this year, which a few years ago would have been the cause of widespread commiserations, but instead there is a sense of indifference or even relief that no one has to deal with it. It’s such a shame for the LGBT community, whose rights world wide are looking fragile right now. They NEED allies and support.

Labour’s way out of this mess is to support the rights of biological women in law, distance themselves from the misogyny and violence of the trans rights movement and the car crash that is the Tavistock gender clinic, whilst ensuring that the rights of LGB people and those who have undergone gender reassignment are as well supported in law as possible.

Whereas Labour once did appear to care about women and then threw us all in the bin.

Labour's support for self-ID is one element of a raft of misogynist policies and practices - Leeds managed zone, complicity in child sexual exploitation scandals, Labour councillors illegally banning women's groups from speaking, Glasgow Labour council deliberately underpaying women workers, Sadiq Khan's management of the Met Police and his sacking of Joan Smith - I could go on.

I note that Sophie Wilson is in Wes's witchhunt group. She is the vacuous handmaiden who lost Rother Valley after campaigning for a Spearmint Rhino lapdancing club and calling Rotherham sex abuse survivors 'trashy swerfs'. Rother Valley was Labour for 101 years before that.

He should worry less about the Tory weapons and worry more about his own side shooting themselves in the foot

I don't know why I held any confidence in Streeting being a voice of reason here. Maybe because I'm aware he's a devout Christian, he might take a higher path beyond PR spin, in at least trying to provide a rational message.

But no. He's seen that Labour are gonna walk the GE and as with all modern politicians he's bending like a reed in the wind, to radicalised activists in the party.

On the basis of his speech, we can expect at the bare minimum draconian online hate speech laws, a comprehensive trans conversion ban, and moves to gender self ID in a second term.

If a soft left heir to Blair type like Streeting can be bold as brass in saying the trans anxieties from us is a Tory confected culture war, there is no hope for Labour, and the rest of us.

Wes Streeting? The man who tweeted that he wanted to push a “bigoted” female journalist (Joan Moir) under a train? And previously called women silly cows, tarts and bitches in tweets that he has since deleted but have been screen shot and archived? That Wes Streeting? Ooh, lovely, what a charmer. Let’s all vote for him. Oh wait.

Mr Streeting said: “We have a government, and a prime minister, who see an opportunity to use LGBT+ equality as a ‘wedge issue’ in an ugly culture war.
Well, he's not being (and I'm struggling to be civil here) entirely honest, is he?
Let's just dissect that little phrase, 'LGBT+ equality'

Nobody, Wes, is arguing about LGB equality. That one is basically done and dusted in the UK. So don't drag that into it.

It's not even about T+ equality. It's about the T+ expecting the rest of us to go along with assorted delusions, and about women's equality (of access to eg sports, of their safety eg prisons) being under threat.

Sorry, Wes, I know have you taped as someone who doesn't give shit if something is true or not. Because if you cared, you would choose your words more carefully.

You also obviously don't give a shit about women.

Well, tbh that's only news on here. If not for MN, I'd be blissfully unaware.

At best Wes Streeting is a bloody numpty then.

The timeline of events is very clear in that women were raising this as an issue long before the Conservatives started to take note.

Indeed the Conservatives wouldnt have touched the subject if it hadn't been attracting attention and gaining as much traction as it was.

Wes Streeting however isn't a numpty. He's a liar.

From the word go, he had been one of the leading Labour figures who were trying to silence matters WITHIN his own party on this subject. He was vocal long before others on how women should shut up because they were bigots. Now he's saying women should shut up because they are obviously Conservatives or been stirred up by a deliberate Conservative agenda.

This is bullshit. It's just a silencing technique using the 'you are either with us or against us' coercion. That's every bit as unacceptable as any manufactured political agenda.

Wes Streeting is a man who doesnt think women can think for themselves and they certainly shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion of their own. God forbid they should express that opinion.

I think we understand this as being textbook misogyny.

I don't know why I held any confidence in Streeting being a voice of reason here. Maybe because I'm aware he's a devout Christian, he might take a higher path beyond PR spin, in at least trying to provide a rational message.

Under UK law Wes can be whatever religion he wants to be.

The first clue that tells you that Wes is a wolf in sheep clothes, is that Wes tells you that men are women, so breaks the commandment about lies. The second clue is Wes spends time with his conviction thief grandfather. The third clue is that Wes isn't celebate.

There are some Christians that are like the type of Women Wes believes in. They are trans Christians? Queer theory believers dressed up as a Christian. They rewrite the Bible, they believe that they create men and women with their laws, they are in my opinion Gnostic heretics with a God complex.

Are there any Labour men who are not TWAW?

Misogyny seems to go hand in hand with males in the party

I don't think there are. Some amazing speeches by Tory male MPs and Labour women at the Whitehall debate but can't recall a Labour male MP.

Baron Hunt / Philip Hunt is a GC Labour peer though. Lord Moonie is an ex-Labour MP who is so delightfully terven he called Dr Adrian Harrop the C-bomb on Twitter and was banned until Elon took over.

He died in 2015 but I am fairly sure my Labour party member Dad would absolutely not have thought TWAW. He was tolerant of gay rights though.
He would also have been shocked at Trade Unions refusing to represent their members guilty of 'wrongthink' as well.
But sorry no I can't think of any others I can be sure of (except those in the Lords who may have spoken out) and the silence has been deafening.
A lot of my own friends have resigned from Labour over the years for varied reasons.

So Wes Streeting is saying that it’s the Tories fault that Labour is TWAW, misogynistic, anti women and ant safe guarding.
at no time did Labour apply any critical thinking about the intrinsic homophobia and anti safeguarding before they jumped on the bandwagon. But it’s all the fault of the right wing. No it’s the fault of the left for not defending women, children, gays and lesbian and bi rights to dignity and safety.

Is it Christian to keep lists of women who should be kicked out of the Labour Party for wanting to have sex specific rights?

Does seem a very Christian thing to do.

What is he talking about? Labour has been quite happy to use this issue to try and gain votes. He only is accusing the Tories because it turns out most people think it's a crock of shit.

How did I miss this? I’ve been on here for years but it’s passed me by. I hope the msm have the archived evidence and use it to show what a nasty piece of work he is.

All of them? All politicians? All voters? Everyone can see that that everyone who is conservative doesn't give a fuck about all women? So fed up of reading this stupid saying here.

I don't know a single one.

All the Labour MSPs (Scottish Labour) who've spoken on issues about women are women.

And the same for MPs.

Are Labour men incapable of even pretending to care about women?

I had to stay in for a repair to be done and skimming through channels was surprised to see Storm Huntly has her own show (or rather she is allowed an hour squashed between 2 men)

But any how happened to tune in as they were discussing whether parents should see schools sex education plans.

This is only a short clip but illustrates how the left try to minimise the issue nd yes the female speaker is a tory, and Kevin whatshisname supposedly left. There was much more in which he was just saying there is nothing to worry about, and children are okay. Suspect him and Billy Bragg are friends. His whole manner throughout was that of superiority. Note how he laughs and raises his eyebrows (ie to the audience look at this silly woman) https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1673285180814163973

I believe Kevin Maguire's response there (unsure who the host is) pretty much encapsulates the left "intelligentsia" attitude/opinion/mindset.

Conflating sex with gender, what's the problem talking about gender, suggesting there are broadly only two genders while simultaneously having no issue with multiple genders, immediate culture war stick to beat the person raising issues like safeguarding, sneering at any body that is avowedly "non progessive" (as he did on commenting about the SSA).

Yep, Maguire hit all the right notes, or is that bum ones. And he's what I would call a moderate voice on the left (Blairite, anti-Corbynite, Streeting soft left wing).

If as I believe the soft left have been institutionally captured, and the likes of Maguire and Streeting are of one voice, then Starmer is singing in tune with these two in the choir.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but the capture of the centre/soft left by gender ideology, has happened way quicker and way more comprehensively than I ever thought it would.

I'll say it right now. A Labour government, especially if it makes it to two or three terms, is a clear and present danger to girls' and women's sex-based rights.

Maguire's sneering performance is the face of Starmer behind the scenes.

Oh dig them out please! I haven't seen those. The Wes Streeting Wall of Shame needs them! 😎

Not saying its orchestrated but looks like the left are all trying to pretend that either the stories are made up or aren't important.

Look at this nonsense from the Guardian.

Yes I know, no surprise, but dont forget they are still looked to by some as a source of the "correct " attitude towards. issues.

Also interesting to note they dont allow comments but you can submit an outline of a response you would like to make, and then - I suspect no right of reply at all.
It doesn’t matter if a girl identified as a cat (she didn’t). The issue is how post-truth politics exploits it (yahoo.com)

Yep, only the Tories are orchestrating a culture war.

Only the Tories lie and are mendacious.

I'm very attractive to women.

(Only one of these statements is true, lol).

What the fuck do they mean (she didn't)?

It's happening all over the place.

I started this thread more in a tut tut mood.

But Wes Streeting in currently on PM and it has only just sunk in (ie I didn't join the dots) he is Shadow Health and Social Care Secretary.

This is really, really alarming. Not just that he has the attitudes he has as an opposition MP, but that he might actually end up in charge of both of those areas of concern.

(I think the Tories will lose the GE, rather than Labour win, because of Boris Johnson and his and his cronies legacy.)