The nazi thing

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Why do people call us nazis? I’m very left-wing, politically I’m closer to a socialist than anything else. Nazi is a stand-in term for ultra-right, hateful, bigoted, genocidal, etc. It’s an insult to the people who actually suffered under the nazis for things they couldn’t control, mostly Jewish people, but gay people, disabled people, Roma people…

I can’t take my woman suit off at the end of the day. I’m always in this body and subject to the abuse it attracts and the suffering it requires. They don’t get to call me a nazi when I say someone with a penis didn’t suffer the way I did growing up as a girl and woman. Womanhood isn’t a feeling in your head, it’s a painful, exhausting physical reality. I’m just so tired of defending my place in a world that hates women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231427/Chaos-drag-queen-childrens-event-Trans-activists-clash-conservative-protesters.html

After the lies told about Gender critical feminists from the left, I doubt the stabbed victim will get justice. Maria the Speakers corner victim was named the agressor and received no financial compensation for her camera because she refused to lie under oath and said 'he'.

Thanks. I don't know what the event was, but sounds like depressingly familiar guilty by association.

Because they have no actual argument and no actual defense of the nonsense they're pushing. If they did, we'd hear it.
Far easier to just sling mud and run away. Cowardly and pretty low too.

Misusing the word "literal" may be even worse than misusing the word "Nazi".

The first, which is used by the mess which exists where the far left used to be, is the more sinister. If you can class a group as nazis, then it is legitimate to use violence against them.

Also it's trying to demonise a position to put it outside of acceptable discussion.

The right wing call feminists Feminazis. Now TRAs also call feminists Nazis. I guess it's the strongest insult they can think of. Then they come to believe it.

It's a gaming of the disgust response in humans. The goal is to make undecided people so averse to looking at what we're saying that they swerve away from us without any engagement. We get labelled as those things that people feel most aversion to, so the undecideds stay away.

The beauty of this approach is that the greater the aversion response you create, the less people feel they ought to think for themselves, and in fact the more people feel that they should actively not do so.

https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/prof-be-wary-when-disgust-tactics-used-in-campaigning.html

That is fascinating, I’d never thought of that before.

"If you go over there you will become contaminated. And then you'll be hated by all of us uncontaminated people who were wise enough to stay away. So what do you want, to stay safe or to become tainted and thus hated?"

They call us Nazis to deflect from the fact that they are the ones showing up to peaceful women's rights demonstrations wearing balaclavas, carrying weapons and assaulting women just for speaking.

Yes.

They have tried to frame this as something that shouldn't be debated.

There are very few things in life that we actually agree shouldn't be debated, or ideas that are so wrong and harmful that they shouldn't even be given air time. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is Holocause denial, which I believe is a crime in some countries such as Germany. The principle is that the harm caused by saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, or that it was a good thing, is so much greater than the harm caused by restricting people's right to free speech, that it is proportionate to ban people from even debating it.

Trans activists have tried to put gender ideology up on that sort of level, as something that shouldn't even be debated because opposition to it is clearly wrong and allowing opposing points of view is so harmful to trans people.

But of course it's not the same thing at all. And it ultimately won't work, because whilst 99.9% of people understand that the Holocaust happened and that it was an atrocity, there is certainly no such consensus that trans women are women. And also no trans genocide.

There is a reason why the left has historically tried to stop nazis organising, and it's not because of their ideas.

There are lots of terrible ideas in the world.

The nazis started off by attacking and breaking up trade unionist, socialist and communist meetings. Long before they got anywhere near power.

Opposing them is self-defence. It's to protect our own freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

People seem to have forgotten that, if they ever knew it.

Because it used to work. Much like the accusation of 'hard right'.

I was pretty hard left at the start of 2020. I was all 'live and let live', then I heard that JK Rowling was a shocking Nazi/Transphobe and thought that sounded a bit unlikely so had a look.

The TRAs peaked me. Between them, the COVID response and the way Women are being treated by the 'Left', I have have moved probably to what would now be called 'Centre Right'. The 'Right' after all are no friends of Women either, but at least they don't pretend.

The beauty of this edging 'Right/Middle', along with getting older is that none of the cries of 'hate' or 'bigotry' or other nonsense work on me anymore - I know myself well.

I can see right through the bullshit to the truth. Which is that this movement is the same as every other power grab/religion in history.

A way for men to control, access, silence and abuse women and children.

I know why they hate older women, I know why the burned witches and especially loathe lesbians. It is because we can see them for the vile bastards they are. And we are not afraid to say so, women who are no longer afraid must be shut up at all costs. But we won't shut up.

Thanks for all your thoughtful responses. It’s so comforting to know I’m not alone in feeling this way about the whole horrible mess. Being grounded in the real world with normal women rather than the gender fundamentalists I seem to attract.

https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1671106819169591297

Khan standing with storm troopers.

The nation's socialists in Germany took our the other cheek of their arse.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but...

"The communists used their groups to seize power in several places in the Weimar Republic at different times, forming Räterepubliken. Other paramilitary groups were used to quell these uprisings....

The political parties used their paramilitary groups to protect their party gatherings and to disrupt the marches and meetings of their opponents."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_paramilitary_groups

This was just "self defence" by the lefties? Or they were also guilty of using political violence to advance their agenda?

Or look at leftists in other places in the 20th century. So maybe China or Cuba. They were committed to free speech and freedom of organisation for their political opponents were they?

Anyway, this just has nothing to do with feminists believing in biological reality and that the difference between men and women matters in some contexts.

How is that "Nazi" or "fascism" to think that there is a difference between men and women and that it matters in some contexts?

So, the left oppose the Nazis not because they murdered 6 million Jews, but because they see the Nazis as a threat to their own freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?

The same left that wants to stop women from saying that only female people are women, and organising in their own interest?

Today on Twitter:

Good Morning and remember -

"Gender Critical" means "Nazi Collaborator"

Yes that includes whoever your favourite Gender Critical is. Whether it's Helen Joyce, Graham Linehan, JK Rowling or James Esses.

They all knowingly collaborate with Nazis.

https://twitter.com/MxVivianWulf/status/1673586371770961924

In my view this kind of hyperbole is hate speech. But then massive hyperbole is part of being a TRA.

It's certainly defamation, and the only thing preventing them from being sued is that there are too many of the little toe rags to sue them all.

Eh?

That post makes no sense at all.

Hoppinggreen · 25/06/2023 14:53
Pol Pot and Mau were responsible for the deaths of more people than Hitler.
obviously it’s not a competition but there seems to be an assumption that The Oeft are somehow morally superior.

Yes. Stalin was also a mass murderer but support for him is out in the open for some on the left:

The CPGB-ML, complete with portrait of Stalin, were also present at the 2017 London May Day March, where Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell gave a speech below two of their flags. He later, rather amusingly, claimed he hadn’t noticed they were there.

They treat "nazi" as a mere insult. As with the c word directed at women, hurling 'nazi' at progressive feminist is intended for maximum hurt.

Yes, it's a terrible insult to the victims of Nazism. IMHO it's a form of holocaust denial, as they are essentially drawing a moral equivalence between saying women don't have penises and the deliberate mass murder of millions of men, women and children.

What's your problem?