The nazi thing

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Why do people call us nazis? I’m very left-wing, politically I’m closer to a socialist than anything else. Nazi is a stand-in term for ultra-right, hateful, bigoted, genocidal, etc. It’s an insult to the people who actually suffered under the nazis for things they couldn’t control, mostly Jewish people, but gay people, disabled people, Roma people…

I can’t take my woman suit off at the end of the day. I’m always in this body and subject to the abuse it attracts and the suffering it requires. They don’t get to call me a nazi when I say someone with a penis didn’t suffer the way I did growing up as a girl and woman. Womanhood isn’t a feeling in your head, it’s a painful, exhausting physical reality. I’m just so tired of defending my place in a world that hates women.

Its part of the new lexicon. Woman = anyone in lipstick and spinny skirt. Nazi = anyone who disagrees with me AKA right-wing.

Why do people call us nazis?

Because they have no critical thinking skills.

I do not want to live in a country (and alas I do Scotland) where someone I invite to dinner in my own house can report me to the police for hate speech

And that, right there, is the inclination to fascism. Like the police saying they were going to be using informers to find people breaking lockdown. But the people who think this is OK aren't fascist inclined because they are (in another bloody stupid and historically illiterate phrase) 'on the right side of history.'

Why do people call us nazis?

I think it's important to break down that sentence into its component parts to avoid getting sucked into the idea that your views are the problem or that perhaps caring about basic women's rights does somehow make you a Nazi.

It's important to look at who you mean by "people". It's not all people, or the general public who are saying this, is it?

Is it a specific person or people? What is their agenda? What are they reacting to? If you think they are wrong, is there any logical way to explain their possible motivations for calling you that?

Could it be that they don't have a logical argument to defend their position so they have resorted to extreme name-calling and shaming you for not agreeing with them?

Could they be parroting something they've heard other people saying because there is comfort in the familiar and they have heard this accusation used a lot (and with great conviction) in the forums they frequent?

And in terms of "us", what do you mean by that? Women? Gender critical women? Women who stand up to them instead of staying silent? Women who won't let the accuser have their own way? Women who point out the parallels with other forms of gender oppression that females have suffered for centuries?

It's important to remember that "people" aren't calling "us" Nazis - individual people and extremist groups with their own agendas use this kind of language to shame women into "being kind". And if they've got you feeling that people in general think that gender critical beliefs are akin to Nazism, then it's clearly working.

I think you’re right about WWII being lost to history rather than something people actually remember. It’s so extreme and unrelated, though. The Nazis didn’t like trans people. But I don’t dislike trans people, I don’t want to hurt anyone, I don’t want to kill anyone. I’m just a woman saying that trans women have very different experiences from women and that sometimes women need their own services and spaces. I don’t understand what’s controversial about that. And then they say, “well white people wanted spaces without black people” yes, but women are the oppressed class, this is more like black people wanting spaces without white people, then being told to shut up and #bekind when a white person who identifies as black shows up.

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Well, this is a movement trying to assert that sex is mutable and something we can choose. You can't expect logic.

It’s an insult that only works when it’s not true. As is “right wing” in any variation.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan refers to anyone who opposes his vanity projects as Nazis - most recently he called people who were anti ULEZ a bunch of Nazis and extreme right wing! I thought it was a disgusting thing to say.

I'm even more left wing than you OP and I find it absolutely ridiculous being called a nazi by people considerably to the right of myself. If I'm a nazi, what does that make them?

There are two main reasons for calling feminists nazis and neither of them have anything to do with them actually being nazis.

The first, which is used by the mess which exists where the far left used to be, is the more sinister. If you can class a group as nazis, then it is legitimate to use violence against them.

The second is used by the political centre-left and is basically scaremongering. As none of them have anything to offer ordinary people, their approach is to demonise their opponents on the right. The US Democrats have driven themselves insane to the extent of seriously arguing that the United States would have gone fascist if Trump had won the last election. Similar hyperbole appears on this side of the pond too. All the “culture war” stuff is coming from the centre-left, not the right. And it is because they can no longer make any promises about jobs or housing or health care, so the only way they can bully people into still voting for them is by making out that it's a choice between them and Hitler.

He said what, now?

And anti vaxxers. And Tory voters. To which my response was 'mate, you really need a lie down and some time off.'

Extreme/hard/ultra right wing, depending on speaker. What I want to know is, are they all the same people or is it branches of the right wing? a bit like the Judean Popular Front and People's Front of Judea? are they aligned or do they fall out?

Justin Truedeau like Khan says men are women and that others are NAZIs too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/diabled-woman-canada-assisted-suicide-b2363156.html

He honestly never called Tory voters Nazis?

Seriously?

He's probably not the first, but I don't pay much attention to politicians for my own sanity. Theresa May being called hard right when she was PM made me 🙄

OK have checked my source (DMail). He actually said

Shaking his head amid shouts of protest from the audience, Mr Khan went on: 'Let's be frank, let's call a spade a spade... some of those outside are part of the far-Right, some are Covid deniers, some are vaccine deniers and some are Tories.'
At that point the jeers became so loud that the chairman had to intervene and warn that the meeting might have to be broken up.
Mr Khan then continued: 'Some of you have got good reasons to oppose Ulez, but you are in coalition with Covid deniers... you may not like it... you are in coalition with the far-Right. And you are in coalition with vaccine deniers as well.'

So not your literal Nazis but the far right bit is suggestive. It was so overwrought it was actually funny.

The past few years have helped me understand why the phrase Looney left exists.

Maybe the Russian, French and Chinese revolutions should be taught, not just WW2 at school.

When did history teaching in schools get so narrow? I'm sure I can remember being taught about what happened in China.

We still don't know the source of Covid and the NHS lied to us, they said the vaccine would stop transmission. I was annoyed as my children would not have bothered with the vaccine had they not been lied to.

So basically any dissidents are bad and we must all believe strange men with odd ideas like Khan always🤔

I took GCSEs in early 1990s though stopped history at 14. I was not taught about the left doing bad things in history.

I learned myself later.

I'm rather conservative, a Lesbian and my paternal grandfather's family was entirely wiped out, killed, incinerated in the Holocaust because they were Jewish.
Tell these people unless they had a relative murdered by literal 1930 Nazis to shut the hell up.

I was a good decade ahead of you and was nothing about the left doing bad things.

If anyone wants to read about China, I suggest Frank Dikotter.

Pol Pot and Mau were responsible for the deaths of more people than Hitler.
obviously it’s not a competition but there seems to be an assumption that The Oeft are somehow morally superior