Two 14yo girls write to Gillian Keegan

[ResisterRex]

This covers a lot of ground, best read in full:

www.transgendertrend.com/gillian-keegan-open-letter-teenage-girls/

Brilliant.

Excellent letter by the girls. Why couldn’t they have written it? Many teenage girls can write like that. Many are articulate and can express their thoughts effectively in written word.

It could have been written by them but in reality charities and campaign organisations (and this is for a campaign group) work with people with lived experience and write this sort of material on their behalf. I work in the sector and this is what I do. It will be hopefully based on views of two actual girls but it’s obviously part of a campaign. Which is fine but this is how campaigning works.

And in fact writing to a minister is a standard tactic and one I’ve done many times ‘from’ someone experiencing the issue .

He wasn't non-binary but he definitely identified as a bull, a swan, a shower of coins, an ant...

Sadly for him there are only three genders in ancient Greek.

I think that a couple of 14 year olds would be capable of writing that letter. It may be that they had some help, or advice, but who cares? They've written of their experience and the ways in which they feel it's unfair.

Children have a sense of unfairness from a young age.

If I had been advising the girls, I would have suggested ‘ostracism’ rather than ‘ostracisation’, but the rest of it just shows what intelligence and good education can produce.

Mother of one of the girls:

twitter.com/mspeacheekeen/status/1672181709050134528?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

And the Scottish case from a few years ago. It ended in expulsion, which the school stayed until the media queries had stopped, apparently:

twitter.com/gbnews/status/1672265229999419393?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The UK has an average reading age of NINE years old.

I'm not sure where you got this information from, or if things have changed dramatically in the last 10 years or so, but that's not what this survey published in 2012 says.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/36000/12-p168-2011-skills-for-life-survey.pdf

Eighty five per cent of respondents achieved Level 1 or above in literacy, with 15 per cent performing at Entry Level 3 or below.

57 per cent of respondents achieved a Level 2 or above score in literacy

From the glossary: Entry Level 3 is the national school curriculum equivalent for attainment at age 9-11, Level 1 is equivalent to GCSE grades D-G and Level 2 is equivalent to GCSE grades A*-C.

So 57% of adults have literacy levels at or above the level of GCSE A*-C, and only 15% at or below the level of a 9-11 year old child. From this, the average (median) looks to be around GCSE grade C.

(Sorry for the derail.)

I wonder if these sort of letters ever get to be seen by the actual minister. In my experience ministers' private offices are staffed by young, woke, ambitious, pronoun-bearing people who might be tempted not to pass on all correspondence as they have to weed out the 'nutters'.

The other day we heard the two schoolgirls in Rye College were fake, but they were real. They sounded very mature to me and I couldn’t believe they were only 13.

They also told us the naked man in Wi Spa was fake, but it was real.

I’d find it surprising that the TT website would risk their reputation on a lie. It would discredit them.

That's a brilliant and articulate letter. If adults helped them refine the wording of what they needed to say, that hardly counts as 'deceit' @thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch . It's support. There's ample adult support for teens who accept the trans movement, so why not for those who reject it?

From Twitter Mam:

And to those of you saying a pair of 14-year-olds couldn't have written it, thanks - I'll pass on the compliment. There's hope for our education system after all!

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That's a good letter but I don't believe for a second that it was written by two 14-year old girls.

I have taught quite a few 14yo girls who could write like that.

Yes, absolutely this could have been written by two 14 year old girls.

I have read stuff, just as articulate and passionate, by teenagers from the opposite viewpoint too, it's terrifying.

Veey clever teenagers get completely sucked in by this kind of rhetoric because it's what they have to stimulate their minds. No responsibilities, careers, unlimited research resources and hours and hours of free time. Just be glad that so many of them think this is so ridiculous!!!

It is a good letter that addresses real issues.

QUICK, QUICK, discredit the authors!

@OldCrone you may be right and the hearsay wrong, I don't see any more recent survey than ten years ago (and you'd hope literacy would be better not worse now).

In any case, well done those girls, who are clearly very capable of critical thinking as well as writing!

I've taught a lot of girls who could write like that at that age. Maybe not on their own as a first draft, but two smart girls working on it together, and polishing it over a few drafts? Definitely.

I hope it's read, and taken seriously, by a wide range of people.

My 14yr old DD could absolutely write like this.

How sad that the voice of reason here is a couple of young teenagers and those who should be providing guidance (such as teachers), are so brainwashed that they cannot respect other points of view nor biological reality....

Children are being brainwashed in a cult like fashion all over the country to believe people can change sex.
We had a couple get pregnant in the local school here who were insistent that they couldn't get pregnant as they were lesbians. One was a biological boy. They were so convinced that he'd become a girl, they didn't understand that biological function doesn't change.

This. Regardless of topic I am sick of adults minimising the ability of teenagers.

The ability of engaged teenagers puts most adults to shame.

Their letter is impressive and I hope Gillian Keegan takes it very seriously.

Glitterfarts Today 21:14
We had a couple get pregnant in the local school here who were insistent that they couldn't get pregnant as they were lesbians. One was a biological boy. They were so convinced that he'd become a girl, they didn't understand that biological function doesn't change

One would this this would be impossible, but another poster who is a science teacher has said she increasingly has really has found herself needing to teach secondary school children that you absolutely can never change sex.

Tallisker · Today 17:35
I wonder if these sort of letters ever get to be seen by the actual minister. In my experience ministers' private offices are staffed by young, woke, ambitious, pronoun-bearing people who might be tempted not to pass on all correspondence as they have to weed out the 'nutters'

I wish a newspaper would publish it.

I absolutely believe that some 14 year olds could write like this. My 12 year old showed me a practice essay he wrote when revising for his end of year 8 exams last week. He bashed it out in 30 mins. It was way better than anything that I wrote for my GCSE English and I was a grade A student - back when A was the highest grade!

Brilliant letter, I can hear the frustration and massive unease.

I would hate to be a girl at school these days, it sounds like an awful awful place to be. I thought school was tough for girls in the 80s. But that sounds so shit. I don’t think I’d realised how awful things had become.