Two 14yo girls write to Gillian Keegan

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This covers a lot of ground, best read in full:

www.transgendertrend.com/gillian-keegan-open-letter-teenage-girls/

SpringIntoChaos · Today 09:20
My youngest could genuinely have researched written that at 14 (my eldest not so much!)

Can we please start giving our young women some credit! We do have some incredibly brilliant youngsters in our midsts!

People don’t seem to accept that there is a large discrepancy in abilities between average and very able children. It is the children who are like this at fourteen who may well go on to top university courses at eighteen.

TrAs- kids know who they are even at 2.

Also TRAs- a 14 year old couldn't possibly have written that.

Which is it?

Being a secondary school teacher and tutor, I can well believe that 2 interested 14 year old girls could write this.

And, as mentioned by @ScrollingLeaves I'm a science teacher, and have had explicitly* teach my year 7 (11-12 year olds) that no, humans can't change sex, and even if you have surgery, it's only cosmetic and the parts aren't functioning. And no, when a boy/man starts taking oestrogen, he doesn't grow a womb and start having periods. And no, if a girl/woman has a bilateral mastectomy, and changes her mind, and gets implants, she can't then breastfeed her baby. Oh, and that DSDs are rare, many people affected by them prefer to not be called intersex, and that those people are male or female, with a developmental disorder, not examples of a third sex.These are all examples from one class, in one week, this year.

And it has been getting worse, for the last 5 years. Very occasionally asked about 15-5 years ago.

By explicitly*, I mean clearly, with scientific definitions, and biological facts, not graphically.

I've no idea whether the girls had assistance or not but there's no reason at all why they couldn't have written it themselves. I could write like that at 14 and I imagine plenty of other people could as well. My teenage cousin would probably prefer to communicate almost entirely by emojis if her texts are anything to go by, but I've seen some of her schoolwork and it's not dissimilar to that essay in it's tone. Being able to adapt your writing style to different contexts is an immensely valuable skill.

As an aside, I was 14 in 2010 and once posted on MN on behalf of my nan (she hated using the internet) to ask for advice on a relevant topic. I was accused of being a troll (and a middle aged man) and my thread was deleted because "No 14 year old writes like that".
And I'm not at all bitter about it.

Oh for God's sake - when I was 14 I was actually more lucid in writing than I am now. School pupils probably do way more formal writing than they ever will as adults.
I was even - gasp - numerate. Unlike today's pupils we had no access to Google etc al which these girls might have used for some research?

Anyway - brava!

Although I think they did write it, perhaps with a bit of tweaking, it doesn't matter if they did or not.

The letter is relaying their experience. We can't possibly decide that an experience isn't worth listening to on the basis that the person having it can't articulate it.

We know the letter is sincere. We know it's portraying events that have actually happened. None of this is news.

And now it's coming straight from the mouths of two fourteen year olds.

Good on them for standing up.

People dismissing this have a lot invested in denying the harm that's happening to children. A teacher threatening and bullying children who state accurately that there are only two sexes let alone hurling accusations of homophobia in order to silence two genuinely questioning 13 year olds is shameful.
Having to admit that the tactics used by transactivists world wide to silence others are now being used on children in schools to ensure their compliance with untruths and fake facts must be difficult.

Teaching children English is all about interrogating texts, understanding tone, style, inference, register etc and being able to replicate them. Of course able 14 year olds are able to write in this manner.

Dd is at uni now, one of her friends studied biology A level, was accepted to medical school, and 100% believed that a TW literally grew female body parts due to the hormones he took.

I was in the car when this was said, and laughed as I thought it was a joke. It wasn’t, she was deadly serious, and me not believing that hormones literally changed sex was horrific and transphobic. I often wonder how she’s getting on in med school.

Good luck to the girls. Will Keegan even read it?
Tbh, I knew Sunak would be a damp squib on trans issues the moment he announced her as Edu Sec, one of the biggest TWAW advocates in Parliament.
He had a golden opportunity to set his stall out by putting Kemi into Edu, but he fumbled the ball.
Keegan would rather shred this letter than read it.
Just see her recent Times article to realise she's a dead loss.

Yes, well said. Keegan is useless and doesn't seem to really care about safeguarding children, only her own career. Kemi or Miriam Cates need to be in the Edu sec job.

I met a 14 year old girl at one of the Let Women Speak events some months ago. I just happened to sit next to her in the pub afterwards.

It took me several minutes after she started a conversation with me to realise I was talking to a child. She was astoundingly eloquent, and if she wrote a letter it would look something like this one. She might, in fact, be one of the authors.

How has it come to pass, that in 2023 the only champions of the female sex class are Kemi Badenoch and Miriam Cates, and Rosie Duffield and Jo Cherry? Four MPs out of six hundred and fifty.

In a land of utter fucking confusion, this is as confusing as it gets.

Yes there’s a huge amount invested in discrediting 13 and 14 year old girls.

If adults can’t push for change I have more faith they can.

It’s their reality people are screwing up

Generation Alpha are coming right up behind Gen Z. Can't be sure of anything in this topsy turvy age, but there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that whole swathes of Alphas have had enough of their whinging narcissistic older siblings ("NB, my arse!"), and lost faith in teachers and "responsible adults" who've taken the path of least resistance.

The girls on the CatGate tape, these supremely erudite letter writers. This is just the start.

I don’t think that’s right. Many spoke well at the debate the other day

Sure, but these would be maybe the only ones who'd unreservedly not censor their words if questioned. It still seems like a massive rearguard action.

We're not talking about a movement to silence gays or impede equal marriage or promote gay conversion therapy. This is not the bad old 70s and 80s.

We're talking about mainstream views that every woman in the labour movement and every pro choice Tory would not break sweat on, any dissent would shame dinosaurs.

And yet the dinosaurs are in the ascendant.

Outstanding letter. Well written, well evidenced, clear and coherent. I'm giving these girls an A star in Terf Studies and look forward to welcoming them to this nest of vipers.

I hope the Government listens too.

No, Zeus didn't identify as any of those things. He just changed his appearance to fool the mortal women he preyed on to let down their guard. Sounds oddly familiar....

Excellent letter.

Also gives the lie to the oft quoted line of TRAs that everyone, especially the the young are totally on board with Gender Ideology and it's just us wrinkled oldies who will die out soon who oppose it.

Secondly, those girls are crystal clear about how this ideology is stripping them of their rights, their safety, their privacy and their dignity.

Thirdly, that students, like everyone else, are being coerced and bullied into playing along with this ideology. They are having their speech compelled and their thinking controlled.

Gender Ideology if it is to be taught has to be taught as a belief system much like religion - some people think this, some people believe this no-one else has to go along with it or participate in it.

All those saying it couldn't be two 14 year olds, remember it took a similarly aged teen to take an LEA to Judicial Review over that dreadful guidance for schools which was then withdrawn. Teenagers are not stupid they can see this authoritarian bullshit for exactly what it is.

Good post

Note how the girls can see quite clearly which sex class benefits most from this ideology.

Finally a teaching union has spoken up about this and is actually doing their job by pointing out the problems for teachers - unlike all the "nothing to see here" approach from the other unions:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232799/Teachers-fear-disciplinary-action-self-identity-pupil-tells-school-Im-fox.html

It's so ridiculous and if everyone is allowed to self ID as what they like (which of course is never true, it's creating an overclass and an underclass) it would be chaos.

All the kids could 'self identify' as having done their homework and 'self identify' as having achieved A* at GCSE.

Then, next generation we'll have 'self identified' doctors performing surgeries. It's going to be fun, don't get on a plane built by a 'self identified' engineer.

I think a lot of this thread has been derailed. Let’s discuss the message not the messengers