Teenager guilty of murder.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/23/teenager-guilty-baby-herefordshire-hide-pregnancy-paris-mayo

Apart from the fact that she was raped, if consent to sex is to be a legal term, I find the prosecutions allegations appalling.

'But the prosecution alleged Mayo must have known she was pregnant but chose to deliberately conceal it because she was always planning to kill the baby.'

Perhaps Mayo didn't get early abortion help she needed. I know of one woman, who had 3 previous children, who didn't realise she was pregnant, thought it was early menopause until 4 weeks before her due date. However to allege she was always planning to kill the baby is a step too far. It intimates that those in authority know this child's mind.

Oh sweet mother of god. We don’t know the jury’s reasoning. We can’t. The contempt of court act stops us from even asking the question.
what do we know? We know they heard all the evidence and we didn’t. So we know that whatever our feelings about the case, however viscerally we may resist the conclusion that any female must ever be held responsible for any crime ever, they are probably better placed to decide than we are.

Don’t include me in your we. That’s not my viewpoint on women and criminality

AgathaSpencerGregson · Today 17:08
however viscerally we may resist the conclusion that any female must ever be held responsible for any crime ever,

No one said or implied that.

I'm saying that if you are having unprotected sex over two weeks then you know that the possibility of being a father is highly likely. He knew he had unprotected sex and should have checked up on this.

@Iwasafool

You know I meant it in terms of the jury decided to agree with the prosecution, therefore they relied on the reasoning and rationale of the prosecution.

It’s all very well suggesting she may have been experiencing psychosis, but this wasn’t the basis of the defence so not something the jury can consider. They can’t speculate about an argument that’s not been presented in court.

Because if as a male you have unprotected sex twice with a person within weeks of the sex taking place then there's a strong possibility that you will impregnate.

So how did she not realise she's pregnant if she engaged in unprotected sex?

If you go down this route, either they're both immature children or they both should have known pregnancy could happen.

This thread really is batshit. Ah well, I just hope this fucks up her chances of being a midwife or, indeed, alone with a baby ever again.

What? That a jury can be prejudiced and partisan? You think that's 'silly'?

A ruling of infanticide doesn’t require psychosis.

Oh and by the by, a 14 year old/ Y8/Y9 should have known all about her periods and therefore, if sexually active, have done something about it. But oh those wee lads in Y8/Y9 gosh they know nothing. If that was the age of the father - whose age we do not know.

This thread is the result of lots of posters believing that their moral compass is the only possible moral compass. This means that know that they are right and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong but morally corrupt.

No, but people are arguing she may have been experiencing psychosis as a reason for questioning the verdict.

You're saying the exact same with the sexes swapped...

Poor girl, she was desperate and killed the bay, probably couldn't access contraception, likely psychotic, parents were disapproving, girls don't always know how to access abortion.

Boy is stupid, should have known sex can lead to pregnancy, is partially responsible for the baby's death

Either both ignorant or both irresponsible.

I’m not quite sure what point you are making here - that the boy should have engaged in unprotected sex because he should have foreseen the possibility of the girl getting pregnant, giving birth and the killing the I baby?

It was reported that she told him, and, according to her, he wasn’t interested in the baby at all.

It's also a very emotionally affecting story. People get angry when they hear about this kind of thing.

I don't think having sex twice makes pregnancy highly likely. It makes it possible but if you went to your doctor and said you wanted to be referred for fertility treatment because you'd had sex twice and hadn't got pregnant they would suggest you carry on trying and come back in 12 months.

To be clear, I meant she told him when she found out she was pregnant not after the baby was born.

So she lied when she said she didn't know she was pregnant. Is that what you are saying? I don't think that helps her case.

I think a 14 year old girl would know more about her periods than a boy would. She'd know more about her periods than another 14 year old girl would. At that age my periods were painful, irregular and heavy. Another 14 year old might have regular/light/painless periods. We only really know our own don't we.

I'm not at all interested in what your periods were like when you were in Yr 8/9.

A boy can in Yr6 be very capable of producing sperm and a girl in Y6 can be having periods.

I fail to see the point you are making.

What they found was that the prosecution proved its case. As stated, we cannot know the reasoning that lead them to that finding. Possibly they accepted every contention put forward by the prosecution, possibly they did not. We will never know.

Your original statement implied that the judgement of a jury was as likely to be questionable as that of individual posters here. That is indeed very silly, for all the reasons I gave, plus some others I didn’t. I hope and believe the average juror understands the seriousness of their task, especially in a case like this, and approaches it less frivolously than posters here have approached this case.

The point I'm making is you have lots of excuses for a murderer and are trying to blame someone else who can't have known she was pregnant if she didn't know herself and who wasn't there when the baby was killed.

You were the one who brought up periods and how she should know about hers which is stating the obvious. Who else would know more about her periods than her?