Smegg Wallace

[FinallyPeakedNow]

So I have been quietly considering all the trans stuff for years. Trying to see both sides. Acknowledging that my best friend's policing of my use of her trans kid's pronouns is just how the world is these days, and that my feeling that it is a devastating tragedy that they have removed their breasts and taken hormones that have made their voice break and hair fall out is simply the WRONG feeling and borderline transphobic.
It's been a struggle. I have always hated drag, couldn't put my finger on why. And then Masterchef reveals that they are featuring a drag act called Cheryl Hole and it happened. I peaked. I felt myself resist the instinct to feel that this name is deeply misogynistic, that if I was Cheryl Fernandez-Versini I would be forced to pretend I found it flattering, even if it's essentially being reduced to a hole so that people can laugh at the fact that women have holes.
I nearly peaked when I read that stupid university definition of lesbians as 'non-men attracted to non-men,' but I couldn't have had enough time to think about it then.
I just want it to stop now, please. I hate that left wing comedians I admire are all team trans. I hate that admitting I'm a terf puts me in the same box as a bunch of awful right-wingers, but also, terfs are my people. This is it now.

So, to my question:

WOULD THE BBC's MASTERCHEF PUT ON A MALE DRAG ACT CALLED SMEGG WALLACE?

I am going to get a baldy head cap and paint a dick on it and see if they bite. Who's with me?

I might write a letter of complaint to the BBC I'm that annoyed

The Guardian is no friend to women or children. May I introduce you to this fawning article about "Hannah"

amp.theguardian.com/games/2021/apr/24/in-the-game-i-knew-myself-as-hannah-the-trans-gamers-finding-freedom-on-roblox

Moat people are concerned about the erasure and safety of women rather than having radical or right wing views.

It's bewildering that your friends can be offended by you doing an impression of Dylan Mulvaney and not by him doing a blatantly offensive impression of women. I guess it speaks of how misogyny is so deeply ingrained that we take it for granted and don't see it.

Yes I also would never have the Daily Mail in the house - that they and the Times and the Telegraph are the only mainstream media giving space to criticism of The Ideology - and that so many left-wing feminists have had to take refuge there - is a huge indictment of the liberal-left media. The Guardian and the Independent/i have been particularly shameful. Women's rights should be their territory!

The Guardian's account of the WiSpa incident - where they accused a women of lying when she reported an incident of indecent exposure (and of course of being 'aligned with the religious right wing') - was particularly shameful.

That was the point at which I stopped reading the Guardian.

Don't like what idea? The queer theory idea?

This is a grassroots movement of women ( and men) which is motivated by a desire to protect and preserve the dignity and integrity of women and girls; who recognise that biology matters in certain situations, and it matters very much to women.

The 'queer theory idea' is that we are whoever we say we are and that by adopting and performing identities we actively disrupt society. That there is no truth or reality beyond what we personally feel or believe. Stable categories are violated and transgressed. There are no boundaries.

The boundaries between public and private, male and female, adult and child are eroded.

It's like a mad dream isn't it and then you look at how brainwashed people around you are and they cheer on the amputations and self harm of Autistic children and yet cannot see their smiles and rainbows are hiding abuse.

Once you wake up it's brutal. And shocking. These kids are being actively harmed. And it's not about tolerance or belief or anything academic, it's about children amputating body parts. And it's in schools, actively being pushed by some Transactivists teachers.

These kids are going to need a lifetime of support and therapy and medical interventions once the dream is over and they realise they can't change sex.

The left are actively pushing this and punishing anyone who disagrees and shouting that anyone who doesn't is rabid right wing.

Keir Starmer cannot define a woman.
David Lammy thinks women can grow cervixes.
Lisa Nandy thinks male rapists should be put in women's prisons.
Dawn Butler says a child is born without a sex.
Have a look here at the statements made twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=20

It's awful and gets worse and worse the more you think about it.
It's a shock to the system to realise that we've outsourced our thinking to people who can't tell the difference between men and women, the most basic fundamental reality that created all humanity.

I really liked Maintenance Phase/You’re Wrong About but gave them up a couple of years ago because I could see where they were going. It’s infuriating when you get people who pride themselves on thinking outside the box, re-evaluating source material and coming at stuff from a different angle who then just repeat the JKR rubbish wholesale with no scrutiny at all. The first time I hear someone announce pronouns on a podcast that’s it ruined for me really. You can completely see how people (of both sides) end up in an echo chamber because my podcast list starts tilting more and more in one direction just because those aren’t the only captured ones. But they themselves can be lacking diversity of opinion of course.

unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/

This might explain what the attitude and atmosphere is at the Guardian.
Having to catch up on the history of all this is an eye opener.

The good news is that most people when asked a few key questions over a few conversations start to wake up too. You'll start to see this over time as you become more aware of it all.

I feel alone, and scared to speak out. There must be loads of people like me.

I have male friends, on what the Mail would describe as the far-left, who privately tell me gender ideology a load of bollox, but in the next sentence trot out the latest off-the-shelf soundbites from the peer group about section 28 etc.

Groupthink is often accompanied by cognitive dissonance. For some it's what makes them so uniquely angry about this issue.

I suppose I am talking about it being a shame that I am now aligning with right wingers in general, those people whose knee jerk reaction is to reject difference and be afraid of diversity

You don't sound very embracing of diversity yourself. It's that old thing that we see so often, isn't it - 'we celebrate diversity as long as you agree with us, and if you don't you're a trasnphobe and a bigot.' Thereby demonstrating exactly that fear of difference of opinion that you attribute to the 'right wing.'

When openness and non judgmentalism become over-riding virtues than the shadow side is never far from the surface. People then spend their time policing the boundaries of what is considered acceptable speech or thought - and being highly, indiscriminately judgemntal of others - especially of those they perceive as belonging to another tribe.

Left and Right is no longer the most important political axis, I suggest. People are re-aligning around values; either around a belief in pragmatic, grounded reality and what constitutes a stable society, and those that seek to endlessly disrupt, who are pursuing some version of utopian transhumanism. A world without boundaries.

@FinallyPeakedNow just to say you are SO NOT alone.

I've nothing to add though, apart from solidarity.

Andy is the sexy one, not Dan.

I really hope that they don't go all out transtastic. It seems to be fairly low level at the moment.

@BaronMunchausen
"The Guardian and the Independent/i have been particularly shameful. Women's rights should be their territory!"

I'm sorry but this is a little sickening. Women's rights should not be one political wing's territory - it is fundamental across the spectrum to all ethical people. The implication above being that the Right lack ethics. I wonder that some posters don't realise that this forum isn't a Left Wing forum and that these hold your nose attitudes are being done right in front of the people you're talking about. Reminds me of a time someone was talking in a group about "the gays" completely oblivious to the gay people around them.

But aside from the continuous disparagement at some of us, the thing that most bothers me about the above statement is because I think it's made from the mindset of wanting "our" faction to be the ones who are champions on fighting this. Because it's identified as a good cause and if someone else succeeds at it they will get the credit. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE CREDIT.

And if you're about to say that's not where you're coming from, fine - I'll accept it if you say it's not but I invite you to reflect a few moments and ask yourself if there isn't that underlying it. I move in various degrees of Right Wing circles and a lot of places where there's a lot of Left Wing representation too. And barring degree of "told you so", mostly what I pick up the Right is an attitude of "finally these groups are realising the situation and acting - together we'll actually be able to stop this abuse." Whereas from the Left what I see a lot of is: "oh, those awful right wing people mustn't be allowed to be the ones who win this". I'm sorry but I do.

I feel for the OP who now feels politically homeless and the horror of clicking on Daily Mail links, it's challenging to question ones attitudes. I especially feel for her at feeling like she'll lose her friends over this because my Left Wing friends took a very exclusionary attitude to people who wouldn't share their beliefs and I lost good friends through not agreeing with them and that hurt immeasurably and brought on significant depression. I wish I could help OP but know there's probably little I can do - it's very difficult to forge one's own path of beliefs rather than go along with a group.

But it would be nice if some here could stop talking about us (right wing people) as if we're the wrong people to fight for women's and children's rights. Nobody is the wrong person to fight for these things. The rights of the individual are the foundation of women's rights, children's rights, human rights.

@WandaWomblesaurus
"David Lammy thinks women can grow cervixes."

David Lammy thought that Henry the 7th came after Henry the 8th, and that Marie Antoinette won the Nobel prize for Physics.

OP, my DD is not just “not right wing” - she is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party!
DD is so completely terf that she writes and performs a long running parody of Dylan Mulvaney on YouTube, including a musical which also mocks Dr Gallagher, the US surgeon who performs mastectomies on teenagers. Have a look at “Day 69 of boyhood”.

Yes, hatred and automatic rejection of any idea or thought which can be instantly rejected on account of being 'right wing' actually displays an ignorance of what motivates many people who may be categorised as on the political right. It is always assumed that anything considered right of centre is based on negative discrimination and lack of tolerance - when this is no more the case than it is in any other grouping.

Increasingly I see the left as devaluing women because the focus seems to be only on equality - where equality means sameness, and absorption into the dominant capitalist/consumeristic ethic.

i'm increasingly convinced there can be no equality unless differences are recognised and then accommodated, rather than feeling everyone has to be seen as, and treated, in exactly the same way as everyone else.

The Left also seems to be more rejecting of 'woman' as biologically based because it sees the female body as an oppression to be escaped.

And that because black smoke came from the conclave of cardinals (signifying they hadn't yet agreed on who to elect as pope) it was racist to report it.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/david-lammy-mocked-for-fuming-at-racist-bbc-after-report-on-sistine-chapel-s-black-and-white-smoke-8532676.html

He also thinks that ULEZ isn't a problem for tradesmen, they can just get on the Tube with all their kit and equipment.

Whereas the archetypal 'right winger' actually seems to value motherhood and the family.

I can't honestly say I'm on a wing now. I am sad about the Guardian. I am being forced to examine life and politics in a way I have never before. Maybe it's a good thing but I feel resentful none the less.

Gender, for fuksake. I have spent my entire life assuming appearance did not matter, and actively judging people who spent a lot of time and money and effort in pandering to society by arsing about with makeup etc. I was offered breast surgery myself on the NHS!!! as a teen because one was a lot bigger than the other, and chose not to do it as it felt stupid and shallow to me to cut into my flesh and live with scars just so I could fill a bra in a symmetrical way.

I thought by the time I was 40 society would have moved on from plastic surgery and tit jobs for women as standard because 'looks'

I thought by the time I was 40 men and women would at least agree they were equal but different.

And now this is where we are. What a waste. I'm so confused.

I'm sad about it too op. Pretty much all the faith I had in the left has gone.

And OldGardinia is making a good point: