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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."

38 replies

Walrussy · 15/06/2023 11:43

Tell me you haven't looked into the issues at all without telling me.... etc. I suppose it's easier to assume that you're just super special in your androgyny.
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Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."
Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."
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JaukiVexnoydi · 15/06/2023 11:48

"Gender Abolitionist" is a better term than "Gender Critical" - people don't understand the word "Critical".

Keep it simple: Gender is sexism. No one who isn't sexist really has much in the way of a "gender" except in as much as we have all got a few bits and bobs in our psyche from having been brought up in more sexist times. Everyone has a sex though.

zibzibara · 15/06/2023 11:52

Identifying as "non-binary" sort of is being critical of gender on a personal basis, but without the realisation or understanding that you have the option to entirely reject the ideology of gender identity. That said, she's 30 now so should really know better than the kids who've been raided to believe all this crap.

zibzibara · 15/06/2023 11:52

*raised

ArabeIIaScott · 15/06/2023 11:52

Gosh, she's dangerously close to understanding what feminism is all about.

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/06/2023 12:01

There is a common denominator about all these actors who declare a non-binary identity, which seems to me to be a total lack of curiosity and awareness about feminism and women's rights.

I can understand a little, I think, as when I was younger I felt out of the loop when comparing myself to what was expected of girls and women. I just wasn't interested in behaving in those ways or having those interests. So I thought I was some kind of oddity. But then I very quickly realised that there was nothing wrong with me, and it was the world that had the problem! And then I read up about women's rights and feminism and realised that sex-based stereotyping and socialisation were the issues to be challenged. Not inventing a special category of non-woman for myself.

Catiette · 15/06/2023 12:55

Recently ended up talking to a few 11-13-year-olds about why a girl may dress up as & pretend to be a boy, now & historically (eg. to increase freedom of movement in Afghanistan; to be safer on the streets when homeless; to access an otherwise inaccessible location/resource in different times & places...) The language they used was fascinating, & disturbing to me. Our focus was wholly unrelated to transgenderism, yet one repeatedly referred to her "changing into a boy" / "becoming a boy", & another to "changing her gender".

It's easy to assume this was just clumsy expression from young-ish children, but, if so, surely "dressing up as" & "pretending to be" are just as accessible? And, certainly, they'd feel more accurate, logical & natural to me, given the context.

I do feel this fairly clearly shows how this movement is changing our language. Which would be fine IF these changes weren't so politically-driven & problematic. As it is, these kids are using words that, whether they consciously recognise (& believe!) this or not, DO reinforce the message that it's not natural to a girl/female to wear boys' clothes or behave in ways a society may regard as "boyish". In order to adopt this image, these behaviours, she must "change" into / "become" something else.

It's something so very slight, so easy to dismiss as insignificant, but it really concerned me. Language matters, this kind of distinctive phrasing is clearly coming direct from rainbow-progress lessons & marketing, &, ironically, it very clearly implies that gender IS "binary", that you ARE either one or the other. How can people like Emma D'Arcy not realise that they're moving us away from 'girls & boys can behave however the heck they want' into reinforcing the rigid binary she believes they believe they're breaking down?!?

Catiette · 15/06/2023 12:59

(And if I'd not used "she" there, that last sentence would have been ambiguous / what I intended to emphasise would be diluted, which is a whole other story).

Novina · 15/06/2023 13:01

Time for a Rebecca Reilly-Cooper quote:

"To call yourself non-binary or genderfluid while demanding that others call themselves cisgender is to insist that the vast majority of humans must stay in their boxes, because you identify as boxless."

guinnessguzzler · 15/06/2023 13:16

Is it ever not time for a Rebecca Reilly-Cooper quote?! 😀

DrBlackbird · 15/06/2023 14:27

Language matters, this kind of distinctive phrasing is clearly coming direct from rainbow-progress lessons & marketing, &, ironically, it very clearly implies that gender IS "binary", that you ARE either one or the other. How can people like Emma D'Arcy not realise that they're moving us away from 'girls & boys can behave however the heck they want' into reinforcing the rigid binary she believes they believe they're breaking down?!?

It is truly amazing and disturbing how logical and equalitarian thought has been swept away in an Orwellian tsunami of this doublespeak, retrograde, reductive and sexist ideology. How those claiming to be non-binary can’t see they’re simply reinforcing a binary. How those supporting transgenderism can’t see they are reinforcing sexist gender stereotypes for both boys and girls. And the young have so just absorbed it all. I just despair.

IWilloBeACervix · 15/06/2023 15:43

If the non-binaries really understood what was going on and had any integrity they would be trying to create miles of distance between themselves and the trans umbrella.

DeanElderberry · 15/06/2023 16:03

Genderists are entirely committed to enforcing gender stereotypes as rigidly as possible. It's their founding principle - no wonder the advertising industry loves them as much as pharma does. If the world reverted to a belief that anyone can wear anything quite a few income streams would dry up.

MMorales · 15/06/2023 16:08

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/06/2023 12:01

There is a common denominator about all these actors who declare a non-binary identity, which seems to me to be a total lack of curiosity and awareness about feminism and women's rights.

I can understand a little, I think, as when I was younger I felt out of the loop when comparing myself to what was expected of girls and women. I just wasn't interested in behaving in those ways or having those interests. So I thought I was some kind of oddity. But then I very quickly realised that there was nothing wrong with me, and it was the world that had the problem! And then I read up about women's rights and feminism and realised that sex-based stereotyping and socialisation were the issues to be challenged. Not inventing a special category of non-woman for myself.

I felt exactly the same.

Never really fit in with the other girls. But it doesn't mean I wasnt one.

SockGoddess · 15/06/2023 16:27

Yes I find this stuff so mindbogglingly nonsensical. How can people like this not spend the 2 minutes thinking it through that it would take to realise that if you reject your sex on the basis of your "gender identity", you're not challenging stereotyped gender roles at all? You're agreeing with them!

The daft thing is that to think you are "gender non-conforming", you must, actually, fundamentally acknowledge your sex. Otherwise how would you know what gender stereotype you're supposedly deviating from that means you have to claim to be not the sex you are?

A woman can only be GNC if she knows she's a woman, and is challenging the stereotypes associated with that. Once she decides that being GNC means she's not a woman, she's no longer GNC is she? It's circular.

ApocalipstickNow · 15/06/2023 16:34

Is this some kind of parallel universe where Diana Keaton, Jodie Foster, Katherine Hepburn, Marlene Detreich, Sigourney Weaver et al don’t exist?

OldCrone · 15/06/2023 16:36

This is the article (I couldn't read the screenshots in the OP).

https://archive.is/hSNdl

There's another article about Emma on that page which I clicked on about 'hiding their identity'.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/11/emma-darcy-non-binary-golden-globes/

(this is also archived on web.archive.org, but I can't seem to post a usable link).

Speaking to E! News, the 30-year-old said: “When I was starting out, I really felt that I had to present as a woman in order to find success in this industry.

“It wasn’t sustainable, and I stopped pretending. And weirdly at that point, I got nominated for Best Actress for the Golden Globes, which is like beautifully ironic.”

It didn't seem to dawn on her that she didn't have to 'pretend' to be a woman because she actually is a woman and other people recognise that no matter what she likes to wear or how she styles her hair or how she behaves. If she actually bothered to think about this, she'd understand what being critical of gender actually means.

House of the Dragon star thought they had to 'pretend' to be a woman to succeed

Non-binary Golden Globe nominee Emma D’Arcy has explained how they felt a pressure to present as a woman in order to succeed.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/11/emma-darcy-non-binary-golden-globes

OldCrone · 15/06/2023 16:38

Trying again without the archive link this time. The first link is archived at archive dot is.

This is the article (I couldn't read the screenshots in the OP).

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/06/15/emma-darcy-slams-attacks-trans-rights/

There's another article about Emma on that page which I clicked on about 'hiding their identity'.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/11/emma-darcy-non-binary-golden-globes/

(this is also archived on web.archive.org, but I can't seem to post a usable link).

Speaking to E! News, the 30-year-old said: “When I was starting out, I really felt that I had to present as a woman in order to find success in this industry.

“It wasn’t sustainable, and I stopped pretending. And weirdly at that point, I got nominated for Best Actress for the Golden Globes, which is like beautifully ironic.”

It didn't seem to dawn on her that she didn't have to 'pretend' to be a woman because she actually is a woman and other people recognise that no matter what she likes to wear or how she styles her hair or how she behaves. If she actually bothered to think about this, she'd understand what being critical of gender actually means.

House of the Dragon star thought they had to 'pretend' to be a woman to succeed

Non-binary Golden Globe nominee Emma D’Arcy has explained how they felt a pressure to present as a woman in order to succeed.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/11/emma-darcy-non-binary-golden-globes

RadFizz · 15/06/2023 17:47

What is it about idiot posh actresses called Emma?

inkjet · 15/06/2023 18:02

I’d be interested to know if there’s a non-binary person without a terrible haircut. There’s something very conformist about it.

TheBiologyStupid · 15/06/2023 20:31

Novina · 15/06/2023 13:01

Time for a Rebecca Reilly-Cooper quote:

"To call yourself non-binary or genderfluid while demanding that others call themselves cisgender is to insist that the vast majority of humans must stay in their boxes, because you identify as boxless."

Brilliant quote - thanks!

BreatheAndFocus · 15/06/2023 20:45

Non-binary is idiotic and very regressive - the opposite of what they think they’re being!

Newsflash, enbies- this is the 21st century. You don’t have to measure yourself by gender stereotypes. We ditched all that in the 1970s, then some self-absorbed tw*ts brought it back eye roll 🙄

Emma - most people don’t give a shiny shit about daft stereotypes! We don’t sit there musing over which silly stereotypes we conform to or don’t conform to. We understand that, in the U.K., at least, we can be women and wear what we like, do what we like, and be what we like. Nobody needs a special label to do that, unless they’re insecure/ignorant.

As for thinking you have to ‘pretend to be a woman’, what you really mean is pretend to be feminine. You don’t. There are feminine women, masculine women - it doesn’t matter and it doesn’t change their sex. Look back at people like Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, etc. By thinking women have to be feminine and present in a certain way, you’re actually perpetuating regressive stereotypes.

Hepwo · 15/06/2023 21:06

It's fascinating! What is she saying? She prefers jackets and button up tops to long dresses? So do I, and at her age I would never have worn anything that didn't cover me up, I was far too self conscious.

I do hope she's not going to start the surgery and hormones spiral, she doesn't look very happy.

I found Game of thrones to be very sexist and regressive, it was teenage boy fantasy attitudes to women.

The whole acting industry is trapped in the past.

TheBiologyStupid · 15/06/2023 21:11

BreatheAndFocus · 15/06/2023 20:45

Non-binary is idiotic and very regressive - the opposite of what they think they’re being!

Newsflash, enbies- this is the 21st century. You don’t have to measure yourself by gender stereotypes. We ditched all that in the 1970s, then some self-absorbed tw*ts brought it back eye roll 🙄

Emma - most people don’t give a shiny shit about daft stereotypes! We don’t sit there musing over which silly stereotypes we conform to or don’t conform to. We understand that, in the U.K., at least, we can be women and wear what we like, do what we like, and be what we like. Nobody needs a special label to do that, unless they’re insecure/ignorant.

As for thinking you have to ‘pretend to be a woman’, what you really mean is pretend to be feminine. You don’t. There are feminine women, masculine women - it doesn’t matter and it doesn’t change their sex. Look back at people like Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, etc. By thinking women have to be feminine and present in a certain way, you’re actually perpetuating regressive stereotypes.

Absolutely this ^

BlimeyO · 15/06/2023 21:22

MMorales · 15/06/2023 16:08

I felt exactly the same.

Never really fit in with the other girls. But it doesn't mean I wasnt one.

That’s exactly how I feel.

70s child. Only wanted to hang out with boys, play with “boy toys”, and god forbid did I ever wear a dress. Very George from Famous Five. Idolised Nancy in the Arthur Ransome books.

But despite all that, quelle surprise I’m very happy in my body as an adult human female.

Hagosaurus · 15/06/2023 21:45

Oh it’s just all so egotistical isn’t it! What’s the difference between non-binary and not conforming to sex-based stereotypes? How many people do you know who entirely conform to all sex-based stereotypes? So this is a label which says “I haven’t bothered to consider anybody else, ever” Understandable at 16, completely immature at 30