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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."

38 replies

Walrussy · 15/06/2023 11:43

Tell me you haven't looked into the issues at all without telling me.... etc. I suppose it's easier to assume that you're just super special in your androgyny.
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Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."
Emma D'arcy: "I thought ^I^ was the one who was critical of gender."
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SockGoddess · 15/06/2023 22:03

Agree, you just are a woman, and the gender stereotype of femininity is not inherently linked to that and you're free to reject it. It's tragic that anyone has got to their 30s without realising that, at least in the UK, they're surrounded by women who wear trousers, have short hair, fix cars, put up shelves, catch spiders, or work as physicists or whatever stereotypically masculine things they like, or maybe have a variety of traits that are seen as masculine, feminine and neither, and that that is in fact most normal women.

How is anyone managing to convince themselves that they're surrounded by boring normies who all adhere to a binary choice of gender stereotypes? It's mad! I mean apart from anything else there are a whole load of non-binary, neither masculine nor feminine activities that most people do all the time, reading, gardening, eating, listening to music etc. Life is generally very non-binary.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2023 22:56

You can be as critical or not of gender as you like, you're still a woman, however pedestrian you find it.

Truthlikeness · 15/06/2023 23:53

BlimeyO · 15/06/2023 21:22

That’s exactly how I feel.

70s child. Only wanted to hang out with boys, play with “boy toys”, and god forbid did I ever wear a dress. Very George from Famous Five. Idolised Nancy in the Arthur Ransome books.

But despite all that, quelle surprise I’m very happy in my body as an adult human female.

100% and even as a child I never for a second thought I was the problem. It was society trying to constrain me and I didn't give two shits what it thought I should do. How on earth have we got this point?! One of my dear friends, a smart, gender non-conforming bisexual woman, has started using 'they' pronouns and I absolutely fucking despair.

LonginesPrime · 16/06/2023 01:38

Yes, it's all very "not like other girls".

I can imagine people reassuring them that most people feel restricted by oppressive gender stereotypes, and them replying "no no - this is different. You couldn't possibly understand." Like we're all NPCs and they're the only ones with real feelings.

Backstreets · 16/06/2023 06:34

I can’t believe how this deeply uncool and embarrassing identity stuff has these people thinking they have Grace Jones or Annie Lennox or Prince style swag. Exuding primary levels understanding about biology and a chilling lack of empathy rather than power and subversiveness

jlpartnerrs · 16/06/2023 06:58

But in this society now they do have power and privileged status by claiming enby. All the middle aged hags are irrelevant to this.

MoltenLasagne · 16/06/2023 07:02

Its just the new version of "not like other girls". Rather than standing up for your own sex and pointing out that the stupid stereotypes were obviously false, girls would instead make out that they were special and the exception to the rule.

At one point most girls in my year group (including me) were claiming to be "not like other girls" because we liked indie music and played guitar. But we were 14 so we had an excuse to be self-centred, we grew out of by sixth form.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2023 07:43

YY LonginesPrime. Having a special gender identity basically is "main character syndrome" writ large.

Somanysocks · 16/06/2023 07:54

It must be exhausting being her.

Abhannmor · 16/06/2023 08:08

Genuinely puzzled . Does anyone know what she is driving at ?

Just reading the Glenda Jackson obituaries. Many friends and colleagues mention her fierce intelligence and honesty. Only saying like....

inkjet · 16/06/2023 08:13

I also find it very misogynistic, as if to say those actresses who present as feminine can be treated like crap but as I’m not a woman you can’t do that to me. These women would be the first to hate women who uphold patriarchy but they are essentially doing the same thing. The way to end misogyny is not by saying you aren’t a woman, it’s by stopping people treating all woman like crap.

SockGoddess · 16/06/2023 09:52

Yes. You can be the most feminine woman in the world and still be a good person, kick ass at your chosen job, be respectful of other kinds of women, have important and valuable skills etc. you can also say no to femininity but neither makes you a better or worse woman. But denying you’re a woman at all because you don’t want to perform a stereotype is so backwards it makes my head hurt.

Hepwo · 16/06/2023 10:58

Truthlikeness · 15/06/2023 23:53

100% and even as a child I never for a second thought I was the problem. It was society trying to constrain me and I didn't give two shits what it thought I should do. How on earth have we got this point?! One of my dear friends, a smart, gender non-conforming bisexual woman, has started using 'they' pronouns and I absolutely fucking despair.

Absolutely this, my generation changed how women were treated, we didn't change ourselves.

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