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Mr Menno visits Tate Queer and Now 2023

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Imnobody4 · 11/06/2023 18:36

https://twitter.com/MrMennoTweets/status/1667887384074104833?t=WzV3U2SFQs3EDDThAjz82g&s=19

This is just so tedious. Why the obsessive inclusion of kids, rhetorical question.

https://twitter.com/MrMennoTweets/status/1667887384074104833?s=19&t=WzV3U2SFQs3EDDThAjz82g

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Wiccan · 12/06/2023 08:48

IcakethereforeIam · 12/06/2023 08:42

I just looked in the Wicker Man .gif drawer and I found this! Wtaf, Trumpton took a dark path...

🤣 I don't remember that episode !

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 09:06

Generally it wasn’t very easy to work out what the workshop would involve from the info provided by Tate

Maybe a lot of parents need safeguarding training (or their kids taken off them) if they cant put two and two together.

So not enough info, dont take a toddler
Not enough info email and ask for more info.
Answers are either not good enough, dont take toddler
Or its a great answer, but not suitable for a toddler
Or you get wrong info and now sue the arse off the Tate because your toddler saw some awful things no toddler should see.

Also the Tate needs some hasty interventions.

WarriorN · 12/06/2023 09:11

A few things....

Funding for artists has seriously dried up over the last decades or so.

At the same time places like the arts council and many sources of charitable funding they can access have been well and truly EDI'ed. particularly around lgbtq etc.

The Arts Council is extremely trans positive.

There is a lot of funding for arts charities / groups / galleries/ museums who focus on minority groups, diversity and educational opportunities. (Do you see how it works?!)

Coupled with active grassroots deplatforming of any artists who speak out about this (see the knitting world, pottery world, circus world, dance world - Rosie Kay etc) there's a perfect storm for the flourishing of queer stuff for kids.

Also.

The Arts Council's Artsmark award (for schools) will now be delivered and coordinated via Goldsmiths. Well known for having many lecturers who are v pro trans ideology.

Why does this matter?

One of the points of and Artsmark for schools and the Arts Award for children is to actively encourage involvement with local arts organisations such as galleries, museums, theatre groups, art groups etc. They all rely on educational delivery for funding. Public museums and galleries especially so. They can be centres to deliver arts awards for schools (the awards cost) and bases to deliver training to teachers and others for Artsmark, though there's usually "bridge" organisations set up for this.

It's all very tied up.

WarriorN · 12/06/2023 09:12

Also, artists are realising that schools can't afford them unless they get funding for free workshops.

The more stars you hit regarding equality, diversity, inclusion etc, the more likely you'll get funding.

Cass and Ofsted guidance for safeguarding can't come fast enough.

WarriorN · 12/06/2023 09:13

Goldsmiths

www.gold.ac.uk/news/artsmark/

ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 09:17

PonyPatter44 · Yesterday 23:01
+Well there's a thing. My post was deleted presumably for using the word that is often used to describe brushing a horse. @MNHQ, can you explain why? I wasn't rude or offensive towards any individual, I stated my opinion*.

Yes, lots of horse brushing going on.

MN do not understand either that as a word ‘horse brushing’ is just a metaphor that can mean allude to anything aimed at influencing a child from an early age. They just delete the minute they see it.

Here we have for a start ‘horse-brushed’ to be confused about your own sex, and ‘horse-brushed’ to disrespect other people’s boundaries. This is from the children’s book Mr Menno showed.

Mr Menno visits Tate Queer and Now 2023
ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 09:23

I have just noticed the extra nudge, and stroke of the horse-brush, on any child reading that book: the door to the “Ladies’” is open more widely.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 12/06/2023 09:25

The best thing in the video was the bearded bloke who seemed completely oblivious to the ‘ procession’ and kept on mansplaining the pictures to his female companion, whilst taking snapshots of the explanatory labels.

At least he knew where the competent art was.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 09:33

ArabeIIaScott · Yesterday 23:04
https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/queer-and-now-2023

This is the event with pants chap:

https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/queer-and-now-2023/pop-up

Queer and Now 2023 | Tate Britain
https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain

What does men taking oestrogen, and a man dressed in ladies knickers, stockings and suspenders, with writing advertising the selling of sex on his knickers, all in front of gallery visitors including children I think, have to do with a publicly funded art gallery?

Queer and Now 2023 | Tate Britain

https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/queer-and-now-2023

ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 09:34

Maybe he believes he is a work of art.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/06/2023 09:36

He's definitely a piece of work.

BloodyHellKen · 12/06/2023 09:44

Thanks @Imnobody4 I've just looked at the twitter thread and seen the 'sugar money' photo about 10 tweets down. How anyone things that is appropriate garb in public, let alone in front of minors is beyond me.

I now have to go and bleach my eyes 😵

BabyStopCryin · 12/06/2023 10:28

So that chap in the g-string showing what he’s got is Pee Ducky?

What an odd choice of person to have entertaining families in an art gallery?

AlisonDonut · 12/06/2023 10:32

IcakethereforeIam · 12/06/2023 08:42

I just looked in the Wicker Man .gif drawer and I found this! Wtaf, Trumpton took a dark path...

This is from Radiohead's Burn the Witch video. Not actually Trumpton!

IcakethereforeIam · 12/06/2023 10:38

@AlisonDonut I'll take a look at that.

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 10:43

What happens now from this?

Is there any way of registering formal concern such as they have to reply?

Are there no grown ups any more?

How can it be ok to use tax payers resources in this way?

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 10:53

QuickWash · 12/06/2023 10:43

What happens now from this?

Is there any way of registering formal concern such as they have to reply?

Are there no grown ups any more?

How can it be ok to use tax payers resources in this way?

Possibly email the Tate?

I just googled but came up with somewhere near me also called the Tate so I'm afraid I'm not googling again. I dont want thousands of complaints emails sent to a local business. Not sure they could handle it.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 10:57

How can it be ok to use tax payers resources in this way?

It may be that charities that fund the arts are working against what the voted-for government would want themselves. It seems there are complicated under currents as Warrior pointed out earlier in this thread, and also as explained in this article posted on another thread yesterday by ResisterRex*:
Radical chic charities | Poppy Coburn | The Critic Magazine
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2023/radical-chic-charities/

Radical chic charities | Poppy Coburn | The Critic Magazine

The madness of giving activist charities public money to oppose government policy…

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2023/radical-chic-charities/

RubyTrees · 12/06/2023 11:01

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 10:53

Possibly email the Tate?

I just googled but came up with somewhere near me also called the Tate so I'm afraid I'm not googling again. I dont want thousands of complaints emails sent to a local business. Not sure they could handle it.

I just called the Tate - here's the email for feedback:

[email protected]

ScrollingLeaves · 12/06/2023 11:19

RubyTrees · Today 11:01
I just called the Tate - here's the email for feedback:
[email protected]

Thank you for finding that out.

I think the minister for education ought to be told too. The Tate is providing this ‘education’ to children, including through those transgender ideology books Mr Menno mentioned.

AutumnCrow · 12/06/2023 11:38

I honestly had to google this and I'm pretty good on politics usually:

The Rt Hon Lucy Frazer KC MP was appointed Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport on 7 February 2023

So she would be worth emailing too.

I quite like a bit of the avant garde myself as it happens - but ffs pushing inappropriate sexual content onto young kids as part of a wildly unprofessional performance with 'ramshackle' staging (i.e. without boundaries or safeguarding) is wrong.

How are these shows getting licensed? All sexual content needs to be licensed. Calling it 'queer' or 'avant garde' doesn't negate the law around performances at venues.

FrancescaContini · 12/06/2023 11:53

I’m hoping that Janice Turner or Suzanne Moore or Hadley Freeman are reading this and will write an article that will reach many more thousands of readers/parents/gallery-goers.

zibzibara · 13/06/2023 12:29

Latest instalment of Sinfest is spot on:

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