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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Letter from Baroness Nicholson to Steve Barclay re recent NHS staff inclusion report

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Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:16

Text of letter in next post.

''Please read & RT''
https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1667207590785286144

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1667207590785286144

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Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:17

Rt Hon Steve Barclay MP
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

My Dear Steve
I will not be the first to draw your attention to the NHS Confederation’s “Leading
for all: supporting trans and non binary healthcare staff'' report published on June 6th.
“The purpose of this guide is to help healthcare leaders (such as chief executives and chairs), HR directors, those responsible for equality, diversity and inclusion (EDI) work, and LGBTQIA+ staff groups understand the needs of trans and non binary colleagues, so that they can perform their duties to trans and non binary staff and provide high- quality allyship for their workforce.”

The purpose of this letter is request you ensure this highly political exercise in
social engineering is not allowed anywhere near healthcare leaders.
On the basis of a misrepresentation of the Equality Act, and a staff survey, the
report recommends that everyone in the NHS accepts that a male who says he is a woman be treated as such without question, including full access to female
facilities and intimate care.
The issue of rapes and serious sexual assaults in NHS hospitals is already serious
enough.
118 staff, exclusively trans or non-binary, completed the survey. That is
approximately 0.0094-% of the NHS workforce. A select focus group of 25
(0.002% of the NHS workforce) approved the recommendations. Ordinary male
and female employees were not invited to participate and those who did were
discarded.
This is a partial and prejudicial report. I have no doubt a survey of dog lovers
would recommend everyone must take their pets to work, but that is hardly a
sound basis for workplace practice.

Please stop this nonsense before any more rot sets in.

Yours sincerely,
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne

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PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:37

Are you more used to women using submissive language? Try reading up on assertiveness.

The effect is discussed in a paragraph plus another sentence, which takes up a reasonable proportion of the letter. Any more and it would have been too long imo.

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Rightsraptor · 10/06/2023 12:57

I saw some NHS bod describing as 'independent' the bunch of loons who'd concocted that wretched document.

Independent of what, I ask - sanity? Rationality? Common sense?

DirtyDuchess · 10/06/2023 13:19

I think she's ace and a great ally.

HermioneWeasley · 10/06/2023 13:20

The baroness is the mistress of letter writing

Hagosaurus · 10/06/2023 13:22

Well done Baroness Nicholson - I think the letter is concise, to the point and highlights one extremely serious risk of taking the proposed approach.

Fingers crossed Steve Barclay sorts this out quickly - it will be a good indication of how seriously the gov takes these issues (or doesn’t)

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 10/06/2023 13:28

PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

Ha! You missed some of the content, the Baroness' reputation and the fact that went really don't need to be apologetic or abjectly detailed when they tell a man that something has been missed on his watch

Pluvia · 10/06/2023 13:34

PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

belief in the equalityact.

The Equality Act 2010 is law. It's not a question of belief. It applies to you whether you 'believe in it' or not.

RosesAndHellebores · 10/06/2023 13:35

Super. Perhaps she can extend some common sense to my local hospital where all men are addressed with a title but women are not therefore treating about half of the population less favourably than the other. The Sex Discrimation Act predated the Equality Act by 35 years! And still the NHS hasn't cottoned onto the fact that women are equal to men. Notwithstanding pain relief for women and access to optimal care for women's issues: birth injury, menopause, menstrual issues, etc.

Helleofabore · 10/06/2023 13:41

This is a partial and prejudicial report. I have no doubt a survey of dog lovers would recommend everyone must take their pets to work, but that is hardly a sound basis for workplace practice.

Superb!!!

SeatonCarew · 10/06/2023 13:50

An excellent letter. How dare the NHS try and pull these stunts?

nilsmousehammer · 10/06/2023 14:32

Pluvia · 10/06/2023 13:34

belief in the equalityact.

The Equality Act 2010 is law. It's not a question of belief. It applies to you whether you 'believe in it' or not.

Like that line of Terry Pratchett's, "You may not believe in it, but it believes in you"

I think though that PJ was talking about belief being a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

Pluvia · 10/06/2023 14:42

Ah, I'm multi-tasking and obviously not as good at it as I thought...

ChristinaXYZ · 10/06/2023 16:14

It is a really scary situation if you have a relative who needs / or might needs care. The erosion of boundaries is awful.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/06/2023 17:06

PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

It doesn't sound like a rant.

ArabeIIaScott · 10/06/2023 17:19

Rightsraptor · 10/06/2023 12:57

I saw some NHS bod describing as 'independent' the bunch of loons who'd concocted that wretched document.

Independent of what, I ask - sanity? Rationality? Common sense?

I think they're confusing 'random' with 'independent'.

Wasn't even random, as far as I can see. Certain number of people responded to the call for respondents, several were rejected on the basis of their gender identity, of the remainder, 25 were selected at random.

ArabeIIaScott · 10/06/2023 17:20

Pluvia · 10/06/2023 13:34

belief in the equalityact.

The Equality Act 2010 is law. It's not a question of belief. It applies to you whether you 'believe in it' or not.

To be fair I think PJ has just phrased this badly - I presume PJ means 'sex, and belief' in the Equality Act, which is to say - gender critical views are protected.

ArabeIIaScott · 10/06/2023 17:21

Pluvia · 10/06/2023 14:42

Ah, I'm multi-tasking and obviously not as good at it as I thought...

Ah, and I see I've just extrasplained that to you where nils got there first. It's a special skill 😂

HarrietJet · 10/06/2023 17:26

PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

It doesn't sound remotely like a rant to me. You must be quite unused to standing up for yourself if you can dismiss any sort of decisive language as a rant.

NotHavingIt · 10/06/2023 17:31

PJRules · 10/06/2023 12:23

Obviously I applaud the sentiment but it would be easy to ignore because it just sounds like a rant.

It would have helped to point out the impacts on people protected by sex and belief in the equalityact.

What makes it sound like "a rant" to you?

Can't say i read it as a rant at all. There is no over emotive language or unnecessary repetition. It reads as clear and to the point, and friendly in tone.

DOBARDAN · 10/06/2023 18:18

Thank you Baroness Nicholson for composing and sending your letter on behalf of all the women and girls who will be negatively impacted should all the things mentioned in the NHS report be implemented. It really doesn't bear thinking about, but think, and act, we must. Please let this madness be over soon.

TheBiologyStupid · 11/06/2023 00:12

Helleofabore · 10/06/2023 13:41

This is a partial and prejudicial report. I have no doubt a survey of dog lovers would recommend everyone must take their pets to work, but that is hardly a sound basis for workplace practice.

Superb!!!

Yes, excellent!😂

RhannionKPSS · 11/06/2023 01:37

Bloody brilliant letter! Thank you Baroness yet again to telling it like it is!

NotRightNowNo · 11/06/2023 20:41

I despair of the NHS leaders who have let this bizarre and contradictory ideology take hold. I see it all around me every day and I am powerless if I want to keep a roof over my children's heads. It's sinister bull shit that has no place in the lives of most women, yet it is being forced on us in most aspects of life.
Want to have a say in who has access to your body when you're vulnerable? Completely unreasonable you terf!
Remove boundaries and call those that object bigots. Chilling.

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