Update from CF

[DerekFaker]

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

I see that it's daytime in the USA.

"Monitors'" What, people who don't agree with you? Don't want to see bigotry?

Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly.

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.)

I think we know who “Christine” is.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Then you have obviously never had your posts splashed across twitter by an extremist activist who disagrees with you. It happens with regularity. Occasionally from a poster who started a goady thread, or a poster that was shown to have completely false information. However, it is likely just from a hand full of known twitter activist accounts who don’t post, some have been banned from this forum.

What bigotry are you referring to?

There is little mental gymnastics going on. The history of these twitter accounts is long and very easy to find if you know who they are. So really, no mental gymnastics needed at all. Nothing compared to the Olympic scale mental gymnastics of believing that males should ever be considered female.

Lisa Townsend appears to have shifted from the following position adopted post CF’s arrest:

“you’re not being told the truth, don’t believe everything you read, you’re being played, we don’t have the facts”,

to a much more “nothing to do with me” tone.

https://twitter.com/_lisa_townsend/status/1667219957900296210?s=46&t=fJOSK8EiYG4do9YpgXSkcg

If CF’s submissions haven’t been taken into account, the facts would appear to have been driven by the reporting person/victim.

Take CF or the GC debate out of the picture and you have a police force appearing to impose draconian penalties on a woman having taken a complainant at face value. A complainant who has already been criticised by a judge for casting random unevidenced allegations about the fruit farms about.

Surrey police claimed in October she was arrested on posting material of a grossly indecent or offensive nature - the Antipodean memes. Nobody seriously thinks CF did that, but the police were led to believe she was the chief suspect.

And now they have been led to believe that CF requires a stalking protection order, a process which is often driven by and in consultation with the victim.

In normal circumstances this is all good and proper, but have Surrey police really investigated this properly, or have they unquestioningly taken one person’s side of events (who may be very knowledgeable about precisely how to press police buttons) because they are from a favoured minority? Have they, like Felix, refused to consider the background or considered who is likely the most credible party in these extraordinary circumstances?

Is this process designed to protect genuine victims, who are overwhelmingly women, being abused?

That’s where Lisa Townsend should be involved.

Clicked one of the links in the article, ended up back on mumsnet but in the past, which on mumsnet turns out not to be another country:

05/08/2018 22:49
I am not going to serve jaffa cakes at my soirée
I dont like my guests enough

Some things never change 😍

What, people who don't agree with you? Don't want to see bigotry?

What bigotry?

What is it you disagree with?
You think that rapists should be put in woman's prisons?
You think that young people should be put on a medical path for life and likely to become infertile? You think that abused women shouldn't have single sex refuges? You think that any female sportsperson should suck it up and just accept that males will destroy their sports? You think that many ethnic minority women should just stay home if they can't accept that their once single sex space could now be mixed sex?

I know you'll only come back with your usual "don't put words in my mouth" bollocks but you never ever answer these question.

And you have the cheek to accuse us of mental gymnastics,

Oh, FFS!

😡

“I know you'll only come back with your usual "don't put words in my mouth" bollocks but you never ever answer these question.”

Ahh yes. I didn’t quite take note. But yes, you are right.

Bodger I believe you know very well who the group of twitter profiles are who read MN and link to posts here. You have been on this board for long enough to have seen this. Rather disingenuous post to deny that it happens.

By the way Bodger speaking of gymnastics, could you please tell us what you think about males competing in female sports categories?

I think we’d all love to hear about your opinion on this.

Excellent summary, @Confirmedwitch

And really shows how deeply misogynist this whole case is, from start to finish.

Particularly when contrasted with women’s experiences of police “protection” when they are victims of actual stalkers.

How many women have been assaulted or murdered by stalkers? Women who repeatedly pleaded for police to take the sort of action they are imposing on Ms Farrow?

Framing the concerns that women and girls have about males in their safe spaces and services, sports etc as "bigotry", is one of the most bigoted things imaginable.

It stands in for the old 'misandry'.

It really is absurd how a man pretending to be a woman can have so much sway over the police because of this. And even with them knowing about his previous convictions for sex offences and violent behaviour.

Tumbleweed

Lest we forget poor Shana Grice.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/teen-fined-wasting-police-time-20239874.amp

This is what I keep coming back to, and it's blowing my mind, frankly.

We've got a pretty good idea of who the complainant is, and how many times they've done this before.
Their track record should speak for itself.

But they are one of God's chosen ones, aren't they, and can't ever be contradicted or told no??

I just read that Vice piece. This is a divide that just isn't going to be resolved, isn't it? Have to say, those guys have some pretty shrewd PR going on. Convincing most folk that 'dead-naming' is the most terrible and bigoted thing in the world, for a start was a pretty neat one. Financial muscle, I guess.

Yeah, but Vice is teetering financially, so it hasn’t exactly been a great selling point for them. I was loathed to link it, but it’s where TRAs openly admitted they Monitor this forum so it was easy. The other evidence is endless reported posts, screenshots on Twitter etc which were too laborious to produce as evidence.

That all makes sense.

Confirmedwitch
Have they, like Felix, refused to consider the background or considered who is likely the most credible party in these extraordinary circumstances?

I have not refused to consider the background. What i have consistently said is that we don't know if the 'background' is related to this current enquiry. We don't know if its related to the arrest in October.

We don't know if its the same person who is the reporting person. People on here are assuming its the same person and its all connected. What I am saying is at present - we just don't know

So we can't really judge what Surrey Police are doing is right or wrong - we can assume, but that's all we can do at this stage.

CF's submissions haven't been taken into account because at this point we don't know if she has made any. We don't know if her police interview was a 'no reply' one or if she has made any disclosures, defence statements etc etc

The police can disclose and submissions if there are none there to disclose.

Felix since you have set yourself up as an informal spokesman for the police and expert on police procedure, do you think the Surrey police are likely to have similar approaches and thought processes.

In which case your contributions are useful as they illustrate what Caroline is up against.

"CF's submissions haven't been taken into account because at this point we don't know if she has made any"
This is surely total rubbish, we don't know if she made any submissions, that is true, however we do not know if that is the reason they have not been taken into account. Presumably those involved in the case do know, the court has adjourned for those submissions to be presented.

Dumbo12
Those involved in the case won't know what the submissions are if she has gone 'no reply' in the interview. If that is the case, she has made no submissions.

So in the court, basically they will read out the proposals for the order and the list of conditions and ask if CF is prepared to accept them - yes or no

yes - they are put into place straight away.

no - the court will ask why not. Her defence will state that we have an opposition against them because of xy & z

The court will then ask her defence to disclose xy & z to them in 14 days time (or whatever the time was)

And remember, this is only based on this current arrest enquiry. We don't know if its linked to the previous case or is the same reporting person at this stage.

Needmoresleep
Someone makes a report of an offence and that offence gets investigated. As part of that investigation, the police are asking the court if an order is necessary to safeguard the reporting person. The police have made their proposal with submissions. We now await CF and her defence to submit their submissions and the court will make their decision if the order is proportional.

But bare in mind - at this stage we don't know who the reporting person is or what the alleged offence is - so we can't really judge either way. We can assume its all connected to the previous cases, but we don't really know.

Perhaps the police have totally over stepped the mark - and in that case they should be taken to task over it.

But perhaps not.

Who knows - none of us know including me and you and most people on here.

How could she have submitted anything if she only found out what it was that she was accused of last week? Is she a mind reader now?

She was arrested in April - that's when she found out what the accusation was.

She got the evidence of what she was accused of last week.