Update from CF

[DerekFaker]

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

You're literally putting words in my mouth. I'm not giving the impression a court order is like a conviction. I'm saying there still needs to be some evidence.

And for conditions such as the ones they are applying for, it has to outweigh the huge imposition on her freedoms. Because that's what the court will weigh it against.

On the balance of probabilities, does the evidence show that she is likely to be a risk to the complainant AND do the conditions serve the purpose of protecting said complainant AND is it proportionate?

You know full well I am not even arguing for the damn order. I am simply saying that people should wait to see what the evidence actually is. I haven't even speculated on the criminal aspects of the case.

You also know that outside of criminal law (a very small area of all law) that civil orders, family court orders, non mols, prohibited steps, occupational orders and no doubt hundreds of orders I have never heard of are approved every day. With very restrictive conditions for no end of reasons.

Oh, very good :)

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does the evidence show that she is likely to be a risk to the complainant

If the complainant is who I think it is, then the complainant is more likely to be a risk to CF.

Will the public be made aware of whatever happens in court tomorrow?

There could well turn out to be something that no one except Caroline knows that means that we see this all in a completely different light when its all over

BUT

seriously? I'm struggling to come up with what some (sorry Caroline) bog standard suburban housewife juggling children and church services could possibly have done to warrant such draconian measures to have been applied for.

I mean I know of pedophiles that have had less restrictions. She doesn't strike me as being worthy of making it onto Prevents radar. I very much doubt she has downloaded the anarchists handbook nor bought the materials to construct devices that could be used to harm.

I mean how much harm can you do with searches for inflatable garden pools and price comparisons of home insurance?

It's pretty shocking based on what we know. The people usually subject to these requests surely have a significant history of actual abuse.

It just doesn't stack up. If she's such a risky individual that she needs this order, how on earth aren't social services involved as surely there'd be a risk to her children also? It just doesn't make sense. Just to be clear I don't think she's a risk to anyone.

The PP who mentioned that this order will allow the police to access all the evidence she has to bring against them in the case she is bringing against them raises a very disturbing and plausible reason for them wanting to do this. Surely this can't be legal?

It also seems to me that this order will not only hugely curtail CF's freedoms but also those of her children and husband. To do this to an entire family, including children, the risk from CF should have to be considered to be immense and not hurty words on twitter.

How the hell have we got to this point?

And to those saying there may be more going on - was there 'more going on' with Kate Scottow or Marion Millar? There wasn't. The police treatment of both of these women was 1000x worse than whatever they did in the first place (hurty words to men on twitter i think).

I agree @Boiledbeetle. I find the extent of the powers of this order very sinister but would accept that it would be needed in very severe and extreme circumstances. There needs to be absolute proof that CF actions have met that very high bar because it must be a very high bar to impose this level of restriction on anyone. National Security, threat to life, terrorism, organised crime that level of threat, does Caroline present that level of threat? It sounds like the kind of draconian measure you would expect in countries such as China, North Korea or Russia - although Russia seems to have an unfortunate habit of those who disagree with the State to fall unexpectedly out of windows to their death which is one way to solve the problem I suppose.

Kate Scottow was targeted by CF's same complainant, as I understand it.

Harry Miller fucked her over, and refused to help her. Was cosy with the plaintiff, too.

Caroline Farrow is about to become very useful.
Her devices will contain a trail of abuse.

Somebody on the Antipodean site has made a suggestion that makes sense of all this.

CF posted a copy of a claim from online and managed to dox herself and the other party. She deleted it. I’m not linking to it but you can see her saying she posted in error and explaining why. If she’s ADHD she’ll be impulsive.

The reporting person has confirmed that she did this.

She’s also referenced things in response to extreme provocation which are true, but it’s a legal gray area as to whether she’s allowed to say them.

So these two things together will mean that she’s seen as a risk.

It’s ok for the TRAs to say vicious things about CF but if she responds with any facts about them, it will be a breach of their rights.

All very messy.

Hahaha. You wish.

Abuse against her. Time her harassers were brought to justice.

So what does an ex employee of the Ambulance Service know about Caroline Farrow that makes them so sure that her devices will contain a trail of abuse?
what are we missing?

Ok, that is bordering on understandable now. The farmers are good at joining the dots.

I still think it is a massive police overreach though.

I see that this thread has become a magnet for abusive men to come and gloat.

So, she's breached an order, or something?

Sounds eminently plausible.

And something there's no way would require all these dreadful restrictions and intrusions?

why, Is Glinner here again?

If you are reading this , Caroline, I hope you manage to get some sleep and that this nonsense is dismissed tomorrow.

Nah, he's busy on Twitter tweeting about you.

Yes, it's repulsive, as are they.

Does anyone know if there will be reporting from the hearing, or is that being restricted too?

ie given the level of scrutiny the police want are they then going to say what is said cant be reported.

Like others I dont understand all the legal rules, and have no idea what she may or may not have done, but the restrictions seem extreme.

And not in any equal to how others have been treated.

Apart from the impact on an individual woman and her family, it is so depressing to feel that the police pick and choose who they investigate, and that the legal system can be used to target individuals.

Sorry -- have just seen this:

Tomorrow will be an interim hearing. We will push back but there will be another, second hearing about a permanent order in 28 days time or thereabouts.
^twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666347489954283520^

So during those 28 days she isn't allowed to use / post on social media?

Since when has JKR been committing malcomms? That's a serious allegation you are making there. I hope you have evidence for it.