Why is it socially acceptable to stereotype and vilify white women as a whole?

[TheTERFnextDoor]

I've seen this a lot recently, often from other white women bizarrely, and I don't understand why it's socially acceptable?

I think it goes without saying that in most groups, you get good and bad people. White women are surely no different in that respect? Yes, many of them are privileged, and they don't face the discrimination that other categories might. I accept that. However, that doesn't change the fact that they aren't some homogeneous mass of people, surely?

I am genuinely trying to learn here, so I'd appreciate all responses, particularly those that disagree

The US spends $500 billion per year on capital gains tax breaks to benefit the (mostly white) rich folks. If the US gave every Black person estimated to have descended from a slave ancestor, all 43 million of them, a one off payment of $100,000 it would cost $4.3bn.

All the US Congress would have to do is ever so slightly raise the capital gains tax a teeny weeny bit for ONE YEAR to fund it.

But totally not workable, absolutely far too much money.

Which part isn’t true? Because you know Iraq paid Kuwait official reparations for invading Kuwait as Iraq were the aggressor in the Iraq war in which the US & Allies went to the defence of Kuwait under the UN directive.

So, in what sense are you saying that the US somehow owes official reparations for the Iraq war when it’s been legally decided the Iraq owed reparations and has paid them to Kuwait?

The Gulf War and the Iraq Wars were different wars.

The Iraq War was the invasion in 2003 on the pretext that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction to use against the west.

The US spends $500 billion per year on capital gains tax breaks to benefit the (mostly white) rich folks. If the US gave every Black person estimated to have descended from a slave ancestor, all 43 million of them, a one off payment of $100,000 it would cost $4.3bn.

$43,000,000 x $100,000 = is $4.3 trillion.

Yes, they could only give them $1000 each for it to cost 4.3 billion.

Sorry, that would cost $43 billion in American terms. 4.3 billion would involve only giving them $100 (I think!)

I think we see the source of the problem. People do not understand the numbers. Which is understandable - large numbers are confusing and difficult to visualise. Once we go over a billion, I always find myself having to count the zeros with my finger.

But, if you are going to call for 43 million people to be handed $100,000 each, you should probably have worked out that it will cost more than the entire Federal annual revenue before you do so, otherwise it's hard to take the demand seriously.

And $100,000 is at the lower end of what is being suggested for financial reparations.

Yeah, you just add on the zeros

So $1 each = $43,000,000 (43 million)
$1000 each = $43,000,000,000 (43 US billion)
$100,000 each = $4,300,000,000 (4.3 trillion)

Sorry, 4.3 trillion is written $4,300,000,000, 000 - told you I needed to count the zeros!

it's really difficult to keep track

White Fragility is the book John McWhorter descibed as condescending, anti-intellectual, and the second worst book he had ever read.

Personally, I am not wholly unsure it isn't an actual grift, rather than just deeply racist and foolish.

I don't quite understand this constant claim that when people reject this crap, it's because they are "uncomfortable."

What do you mean by all black people being affected by the racial wealth gap? If you are a black surgeon pulling in the salary of a surgeon you are making more money than the vast majority of people in the country.

Even statistically, university educated black families in the US have a higher income than university educated white families.

So as far as trying to even the playing field somehow, it's not as simple as people think.

As far as slavery, it's not only the case that some black Americans weren't slaves, there were quite a number who were slave owners, so presumably they'd be expected to pay out? Though if it's coming from the treasury than really everyone is paying for it.

On average, obviously, as it's a marker of average income. My point is that there is a huge chunk of the US black and hispanic population that is economically disadvantaged but not descended from enslaved people.

Those people wouldn't just be left out of any compensation paid to slave descendants, they would be directly harmed by its inflationary effect.

The amounts talked about are also staggering - never mind $100K, the figure under discussion in California is $1.2million.

@DemiColon
haha quoting John McWhorter. Now there is someone who really is an uncomfortable listen. I’ll give you a clue - the reasons why you and he despise ‘woke anti-racism’ are worlds apart

The proposal for the city of San Francisco a while ago was just a joke, except people seem to take it seriously. There was no way it could actually be done without destroying the city.

Mind you those Democrat run cities at the moment seem to be imploding anyway.

Well it is at least written into the equality act so if you are judged or excluded on the basis of your ethnicity in the areas of employment, service provision, public functions, education, housing or membership associations, then you have actual recourse to the law.

Demanding discomfort from white people - not so much, as DWP have just found out, to the tune of £100,000:

https://thecritic.co.uk/how-one-woman-took-on-the-dwp-and-won/

What are you talking about?

The British paid reparations to the slave owners in the Caribbean. Haiti paid hundreds of billions to France over more than a century - reparations for having the audacity to successfully rebel and end slavery. Reparations are only impossible and unimaginable once it’s Black people demanding justice.

The Caricom 10 point reparations plan includes items like cancelling debt given that the wealth of the countries targeted was extracted from enslavement. The wealth of the Caribbean powered the industrial Revolution (the origins of factories were in places like Barbados where the cane was cut, boiled and processed on site) and those same industrial economies now power climate change - the same climate change that causes the hurricanes that decimate the Caribbean yearly and put them further in debt. The “developed” countries could provide the rebuilding money as grants but they refuse. This wealth inequality is ongoing, not ancient history at all.

https://caricomreparations.org/caricom/caricoms-10-point-reparation-plan/

@BernardBlacksMolluscs oh gosh the suggestion that equity is about everyone receiving the same awful treatment! And then everyone nodding along at that sound argument…..

so ignoring the baiting, who is actually responsible for inequities in maternal outcomes? Is it the racist NHS? And who is responsible for ignoring it for well over 15 years to the extent that no-one even knows about it? Definitely not black women who have been screaming about this fr the rooftops but……either no-one listens or no-one does anything about it. It certainly wouldn’t be the fucking case if black women were in positions of seniority. And it’s not just one nice easy feminist-friendly stat to hang your coat on - the scale of healthcare inequities in many other services is just as shocking. But…..we carry on…..not our problem, we are not the perpetrators, it’s the shocking NHS.

but is isn’t just the NHS that is disgraceful….there are inequities in outcomes in every walk of life. And that’s just the stuff that’s measurable. What about the insidious low level everyday racism that is experienced every day. You know, like the insidious everyday sexism that we experience at the hands of MEN.

As I said upthread there are things that every person in a position of power (and indeed those that are not) can do about it. If they want to accept the problem and if they are determined to make change happen. It’s not just about seeing and calling out racism when you see it. That’s not what structural racism is all about - it runs really really deep.

The proposal for the city of San Francisco a while ago was just a joke, except people seem to take it seriously. There was no way it could actually be done without destroying the city.

I got the figure from general reporting about the task force recommendations. To be fair, the wording was "up to" so presumably not everyone would be receiving the ceiling amount. Still though, those are big figures.

And as you say about the Democrat-run cities. I watched a youtube video about Portland and the drugs issue last night. Holy hell.

Oh wow, embarrassing. Portland is of course in Oregon.

Republican states actually have significantly higher murder rates than Democrat states. https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

Republican cities have higher violent crime and murder rates:

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/15/like-to-talk-tough-on--but-theyre-the-ones-with-a-real-problem/

Most of these suggestions are perfectly reasonable and feasible - and, in fact, what the UK should be doing with its international development budget, instead of often pursuing distinctly dodgy goals with it. But that's a world away from planning to pay out $4.3-43 trillion from US revenues.