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Horrible BACP article obsfuscating the risks of medical transition

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 14:33

Claiming people who highlight the risks of medical transition are just uncomfortable with anything that isn't cisheteronormative.

No mention of infection risk, ongoing need to dilate neo vaginas, phalloplasty grafts or anything whatsoever about the harm to children on puberty blockers.

No it's all dismissed as 'bigots are uncomfortable with men having breasts'.

Horrible BACP article obsfuscating the risks of medical transition
Horrible BACP article obsfuscating the risks of medical transition
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FriendofJoanne · 30/05/2023 14:39

Yep they're totally captured. Doubling down against all evidence to the contrary. Where's the article from?

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 14:55

FriendofJoanne · 30/05/2023 14:39

Yep they're totally captured. Doubling down against all evidence to the contrary. Where's the article from?

Therapy Today, their membership journal.

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Fenlandia · 30/05/2023 15:05

Of course, if some men are sad because they can't get breast implants, it's the fault of cs trfs, basically.

Annaissleeping · 30/05/2023 16:46

Yes, never mind the persistent uti's, fissures, the risk of needing a stoma, the vaginal atrophy, chronic scar pain, skin grafts, hair growing where it shouldn't and risk of potential death, etc, etc. Really, we could go on.

FriendofJoanne · 30/05/2023 17:03

Have you seen this article @keikothewhale https://www.jamesesses.com/p/the-ideological-capture-of-psychotherapy?r=clsg2

Britinme · 30/05/2023 17:12

According to someone I know with connections to Metanoia there's more to Esses' story than appears in his account but she said she wasn't allowed to say more than that.

Sunnava · 30/05/2023 17:26

Britinme · 30/05/2023 17:12

According to someone I know with connections to Metanoia there's more to Esses' story than appears in his account but she said she wasn't allowed to say more than that.

Oh, how mysterious and subtly shaming, alluding to nothing but implying all!

Britinme · 30/05/2023 17:28

Can't say more because I don't know more. Just relaying what I was told.

Coyoacan · 30/05/2023 17:35

Oh, how mysterious and subtly shaming, alluding to nothing but implying all!

This

Dinopawus · 30/05/2023 17:41

What do BACP make of the people who want "just one more procedure" to be truly happy, I wonder?

Because trust me, it ain't all glitter and unicorns when surgery doesn't magically solve psychological issues.

IWillNoLie · 30/05/2023 17:48

Britinme · 30/05/2023 17:12

According to someone I know with connections to Metanoia there's more to Esses' story than appears in his account but she said she wasn't allowed to say more than that.

According to someone I know who has a cousin who was taught by someone who was married to the nanny of a administrator who went for a job interview at Metanoia, James Essex is actually a genius five year old who runs an underground stamp collecting syndicate funded by a Bhuddist monastery in Tibet that has a cunning plan to have a turnip elected as president of USA….

IWillNoLie · 30/05/2023 17:53

I would say more, but I am not allowed to say more than that.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/05/2023 17:58

Britinme · 30/05/2023 17:28

Can't say more because I don't know more. Just relaying what I was told.

I know that I have made some pretty pointless posts but I have to take my hat off to you for this one.

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 19:00

FriendofJoanne · 30/05/2023 17:03

Yes I'm fully aware of the James Esses case (UKCP) and how captured the BACP are since I'm a BACP member and receive their monthly rag in the post which I've taken a photo of for you.

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WhiteFire · 30/05/2023 19:11

I am confused, I thought the vast majority of TW remain intact so why the hand wringing about having to spend longer on cross sex hormones prior to surgery?

It's almost as if 'trans healthcare ' is being made up as they go along with no evidence base of either benefit or harm. Individuals are being completely failed and it is not because of the 'cisnormative' gatekeepers.

IWillNoLie · 30/05/2023 19:25

I presume the article is written by a psychologist rather than a doctor or anyone with training in medical research?

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 19:45

IWillNoLie · 30/05/2023 19:25

I presume the article is written by a psychologist rather than a doctor or anyone with training in medical research?

I chucked it in the bin but I can confirm it was written by two authors, one a psychotherapist the other something also not medical - both phd students.

Both idiots.

It was an article about why trans affirming therapy.

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 19:47

If you read that excerpt they seem to imply that chopping off a man's balls negates the 'need' for cross sex hormones which I doubt is the case, given reduction in testosterone is not the same thing as increase in oestrogen, but there we are.

I'm embarrassed for the pair of them to be honest.

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JellySaurus · 30/05/2023 20:01

All of these 'harmful characterisations stem from the 'unnatural' and distinctly 'cis (in other words, not trans) normative account of what healthy looks like.

Thinking about transmen here - which I will, because feminism is for all females, whereas TRAs only ever seem to bother about tw - I wonder whether the writer has any notion of the hideousness that is vaginal atrophy. I know I'm merely a menopausal woman, so no doubt the writer would feel justified in dismissing my ' lived experience', but having experienced it myself, I can assure you that there is nothing healthy about it, regardless of how you chose to characterise vaginal atrophy or my 'normative' account of what healthy looks like. Neither does adolescent osteoporosis feature in my 'normative' account of what healthy looks like.

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 20:13

JellySaurus · 30/05/2023 20:01

All of these 'harmful characterisations stem from the 'unnatural' and distinctly 'cis (in other words, not trans) normative account of what healthy looks like.

Thinking about transmen here - which I will, because feminism is for all females, whereas TRAs only ever seem to bother about tw - I wonder whether the writer has any notion of the hideousness that is vaginal atrophy. I know I'm merely a menopausal woman, so no doubt the writer would feel justified in dismissing my ' lived experience', but having experienced it myself, I can assure you that there is nothing healthy about it, regardless of how you chose to characterise vaginal atrophy or my 'normative' account of what healthy looks like. Neither does adolescent osteoporosis feature in my 'normative' account of what healthy looks like.

Exactly.

I'm sorry to hear of your experience.

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keikothewhale · 30/05/2023 20:49

The whole article smacks of 'we're just so much more intelligent and liberal than the squares who object to this stuff'.

Reminds me of when my friend - who was investigating her fertility options at the time - asked me if I would be ok with my DH donating his sperm to an acquaintance.

And when I said no I wouldn't, because then my DC would have siblings they had no kind of relationship with and I'd feel uncomfortable/sad about that she tried to shame me by saying "oh god, you're so conservative."

Ok.

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IWillNoLie · 30/05/2023 20:54

Reminds me of the article (obit?) in a leading science magazine that stated how awful someone was in using the normal distribution to set an arbitrary standard of normal which they compared everyone else against…

I wish I could find the article again.

Truthlikeness · 30/05/2023 20:59

"People with gender dysphoria taking hormone replacements as part of gender affirmation therapy face a substantially increased risk of serious cardiac events, including stroke, heart attack and pulmonary embolism,"

It's so cis-normative to have a heart that works.

https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/02/22/20/29/Hormone-Therapy-for-Gender-Dysphoria-May-Raise-Cardiovascular-Risks

Hormone Therapy for Gender Dysphoria May Raise Cardiovascular Risks - American College of Cardiology

https://www.acc.org/About-ACC/Press-Releases/2023/02/22/20/29/Hormone-Therapy-for-Gender-Dysphoria-May-Raise-Cardiovascular-Risks

Rightsraptor · 30/05/2023 20:59

I was puzzled by the implication that TW are waiting so very long for 'bottom surgery', taking testosterone suppressants all the while, and this means they are taking medication for longer than they need to. If, however, we were all kind and let go of our cis hetero-normative views, then TW would quickly get the desired surgery and live a drug-free life ever after.

Which is absolutely untrue.

Idiots indeed.

ZeldaFighter · 31/05/2023 11:16

This makes me ragey - my friend asked to have her tubes tied after the birth of her second child. She was told No, she was too young. Which is presumably doctor speak for "you're just a silly woman (now mother of two) in your twenties - you can't make decisions about your future fertility!"

How on Earth is it OK for people to make these life-changing decisions?