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Can anyone point me to any stats on whether fully transitioned males (mtf) are any less violent than men as a group generally?

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Chamomileteaplease · 28/05/2023 13:53

I recently had the unfortunate and shocking, though sadly I know not unusual, conversation recently with a much-loved relative where I was called a terf etc etc.

We could barely talk about it because I didn't want to fall out with him.

But we started talking about men in women's spaces and although it is common sense that if you were to come across a man in a dress you know you would treat him with the same caution you would any other man. But a fully transitioned one? Do they lose any male aggression? Are we any safer around them? I imagine not but would appreciate any research/knowledge.

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NervousInYorkshire · 29/05/2023 00:51

^ oh and said he did "talks about equality" - never mentioned trans issues when showing us photos of his house of lords trip.

OwningAllMyMistakes · 29/05/2023 07:55

maybe this isn’t the thread for this but how many women are violent and aren’t trans ?
how many more cases of child cruelty will involve women as the parent and their child being physically abused assaulted and subjected to horrendous attacks?
the recent Marsden case as one example and there are more lockdown proved to be a terrible time for vulnerable children and adults who needed monitoring and support at the worst time.
so let’s look at the statistics for violent women as well.

Signalbox · 29/05/2023 08:18

OwningAllMyMistakes · 29/05/2023 07:55

maybe this isn’t the thread for this but how many women are violent and aren’t trans ?
how many more cases of child cruelty will involve women as the parent and their child being physically abused assaulted and subjected to horrendous attacks?
the recent Marsden case as one example and there are more lockdown proved to be a terrible time for vulnerable children and adults who needed monitoring and support at the worst time.
so let’s look at the statistics for violent women as well.

Perhaps start a new thread.

PonyPatter44 · 29/05/2023 09:07

OwningAllMyMistakes · 29/05/2023 07:55

maybe this isn’t the thread for this but how many women are violent and aren’t trans ?
how many more cases of child cruelty will involve women as the parent and their child being physically abused assaulted and subjected to horrendous attacks?
the recent Marsden case as one example and there are more lockdown proved to be a terrible time for vulnerable children and adults who needed monitoring and support at the worst time.
so let’s look at the statistics for violent women as well.

No, it's not the thread for it. Start another one.

I have met approximately 2 dozen transwomen in custody. All but one of them were sex offenders, and of the sex offenders, only two (that I can recall) had NOT committed contact offences.

Just to clarify, a contact offence is where the offender makes physical contact with the victim, by meeting them, touching them, or attacking them. Non-contact offences include things like possessing indecent images of children etc.

Pluvia · 29/05/2023 09:29

OwningAllMyMistakes · 29/05/2023 07:55

maybe this isn’t the thread for this but how many women are violent and aren’t trans ?
how many more cases of child cruelty will involve women as the parent and their child being physically abused assaulted and subjected to horrendous attacks?
the recent Marsden case as one example and there are more lockdown proved to be a terrible time for vulnerable children and adults who needed monitoring and support at the worst time.
so let’s look at the statistics for violent women as well.

No, this is not the thread for your questions and if you persist with them you'll look as if you're attempting a derail.

Start a new thread and include in your opening post the data you want to discuss (actual statistics from a respected source) and evidence to support whatever theory/ ideas you hold. Posting vague inflammatory questions and accusations is unlikely to go down well here on a feminist board.

RoyalCorgi · 29/05/2023 10:09

It's worth pointing out to him that the terms "transgender", "trans" and "trans woman" no longer refer to someone who has had, or intends to have, surgery or treatment. It is a very broad term that ultimately boils down to "anyone who says they have a gender identity different from their biological sex".

This is the explanation of who is covered by the description "transgender identity" from the Scottish Hate Crime Act:

(a)a female-to-male transgender person

(b)a male-to-female transgender person

(c)a non-binary person

(d)a person who cross-dresses

Chamomileteaplease · 30/05/2023 21:04

I have come back and read the rest of the replies. Thank you everyone, it is really useful.

It would be interesting if the term transwoman only applied to those who had had full surgery. Would make life a lot easier with regard to discussion and response.

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AlisonDonut · 30/05/2023 22:04

Ask your relative if removing this man's penis would reduce his heart, lungs, bones, muscles etc and what sort of reduction would make it 'safe' for the college girls to play against?

Can anyone point me to any stats on whether fully transitioned males (mtf) are any less violent than men as a group generally?
AlisonDonut · 31/05/2023 16:59

And there's always this.

Can anyone point me to any stats on whether fully transitioned males (mtf) are any less violent than men as a group generally?
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