Can anyone point me to any stats on whether fully transitioned males (mtf) are any less violent than men as a group generally?

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I recently had the unfortunate and shocking, though sadly I know not unusual, conversation recently with a much-loved relative where I was called a terf etc etc.

We could barely talk about it because I didn't want to fall out with him.

But we started talking about men in women's spaces and although it is common sense that if you were to come across a man in a dress you know you would treat him with the same caution you would any other man. But a fully transitioned one? Do they lose any male aggression? Are we any safer around them? I imagine not but would appreciate any research/knowledge.

Right enough, missed that

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I also included the sample size of 99. Because I don't think it's that necessarily large enough so the results should not be considered without awareness of the sample size.

Hopefully you can work out what I meant there 😂

I'm safe around my son, brother and dad but doesn't mean I want them in women's spaces.

Safety is the priority but privacy, dignity, comfort etc matter too.

I would be inclined to flip it around for your male relative and ask him why he's so comfortable with the status quo of male on male violence. By insisting he and other men are unsafe to be around if they meet someone dressed like Eddie Izzard they are accepting their own uncontrollable violence as perfectly acceptable to them. Why should women be explaining, let your violence tolerating relative explain why he's happy with that.

OP I wouldn't bother trying to come up with data to change your relatives mind.
If he can't see the ridiculousness of putting men in women's spaces then it's because he doesn't want to see it. I doubt some number would do any good, he may well just say 'yes, but...'

Peg this one up to a lost cause.

I am casting no assertions on your family of course, but sons, brothers and fathers have all in the past murdered women and girls who were their mothers, sisters and daughters.

Agreed, but Leafstamp's point is a good one - it's not just about safety.

Dogs that are aggressive are sometimes castrated in an attempt to modify their behaviour, however it’s wise to use temporary chemical castration before moving onto surgery. This is because the results of reducing testosterone are unreliable and can, counterintuitively, increase aggressive behaviours. It’s believe this is because testosterone can act as a kind of confidence booster, so that dogs who are fearful can be made more fearful.

Obviously the results in humans might be different, however in dogs, it is absolutely not a straight line between decreasing testosterone and decreasing aggression.

I think it might have been Ken Zucker who also noted that many men who transitioned developed a kind of jealous rage against women as they realised that however hard they tried and whatever they did, they were never going to achieve womanhood, which women (of course) had handed to them effortlessly.

Cross-dressing is by far and away the most common paraphilia among sex offenders, rapists and serial killers.

That aside, what's happening now isn't so much about men who identify as women being more likely to be predators, it's that men who are predators are becoming more and more attracted to a movement which facilitates predation. If you build it, they will come.

Irreversible? Really?

Yes, this is so true. The definition of what is trans is so diluted now (and cannot be questioned) that all manor of weirdos are taking advantage.

When you create a 'sacred caste' of special identity, where their behaviour is excused and ignored because of their specialness - manipulative and abusive people will see that and infiltrate.

On the GRA data (population type i.e. jail, sample size IIRC it was the only data which was verified (actually tracked) at that time and was only made available through FOI, I think requested by Fair Play for Women. One thing which stuck with me (and I don't have files to hand as on mobile so might be in another doc) was that due to differences in incarceration rates males v females overall, it would only require a relatively low % of males to selfID as females to access women's prisons....in order to put females as the minority in women's prisons!

The stats are unreliable anyway because crimes that are carried out by men who say they are women are being recorded as having been carried out by women so you can’t very easily trust the data anymore. There’s some good info on the KPSS website on offending of men who claim to be women and data collection of crimes committed by men but attributed to women.

https://kpssinfo.org/how-are-male-prisoners-who-identify-as-transgender-recorded-in-the-data/

Thank you Signalbox.

Trouble is, it makes me angry reading about it! These men recorded as women. Mad, dangerous and as usual, unfair.

True, this shows gender self-id policy is a failure, whichever one of those is the real reason.

Yes, I would never challenge a man in ie a woman's toilets because I would assume they were a bad 'un just by the fact they were there.

It is interesting though that even those "fully transitioned" still retain the same likelihood towards violence. This should be more fully shouted about.

Quite, any man in a women’s toilets has already shown they have no regard for women’s boundaries and is prepared to place their own desires above the needs of women, or treats women as props in his own fantasy where lack of consent may be part of the point.

Also there's this document which was the written evidence submitted by Professor Rosa Freedman, Professor Kathleen Stock and Professor Alice Sullivan for the WEC in relation to GRA reform (I think). Probably got everything you need in one document.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Indeed...💜🤍💚

Thanks again Signalbox. Really useful for future conversations.

Oh god, yes that has to be true: transgenderism is a gift to men who hate women. It gets worse and worse.

Stuff I remember reading around the time of the Isla Bryson case. Memory is a bit fuzzy, but you'll be able to find it via Google

1 in 500 odd (might have been 534)
MtF have committed crimes
1 in 20,000 (certainly thousands)
Males have committed crime

He was the first prisoner to be granted a GRC while serving time.

When I met him (about 5 years ago) he was telling people that he was a cis woman.