Waitrose, John Lewis, support the alphabet

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So I got my free copy of the food magazine, to find an account labelled "Better together", about the support they give, through a group called PIPS, Pride in Partnership, for LGBTQIA+ partner to meet together. Fine. But David Wright goes on to say that "LGBTQIA+ hate crime, particularly anti-trans crime and rhetoric, is on the rise." And thus they need to support their community, and celebrate their differences. So they raising money for LGBTQIA+ charities by selling a Pride tote bag. "Inclusion and equality remain some of most crucial values."
It has a rainbow and the slogan "Proud to be Ourselves".
I am going to write that inclusion and equality should include equal treatment of women, and standing against hate crime from men.
I have to be careful for one of the local partners is the mother of an ex-pupil who has transitioned mtf, in the late teens, lovely lass doing environmental work, and not engaged in hate crime, I assume.
But the assumption that all of them are lovely and never attack women or pour piss over public building is blind. If hate crimes against LGBTQIA+ folk are risiing, they have to think why it might be.

If hate crimes against LGBTQIA+ folk are risiing, they have to think why it might be.

Nice bit of victim blaming there.

It's largely due to over-reporting of the most trivial events, and conflating actual hate crimes (which are wrong) with 'non crime hate incidents', which as far as I can tell, can be absolutely anything that absolutely anybody imagines is 'hateful', based on no evidence.

John Lewis is a company in crisis. It lost £234 million last year.

If you define an eyeroll as an attack, you can end up feeling like your constantly under attack. @Lockheart

If you fall into the trap of black and white thinking and imagine that any woman who is not 100% loudly and publicly in agreement is an enemy who wants you dead you'll feel under attack a lot.

Feelings of persecution are not equal to actual persecution.
Actual attacks happen, but legitimate complaints get lost in signal to noise ratio

Is this seriously news to you? Waitrose and JL have been supporting the alphabet + for some time. While you’ve been reading your free food magazine the rest if us have been boycotting the stores for years. There was a big scandal on social media years ago over who they let in their changing rooms. You clearing don’t follow this closely.

Lovely, including gay lesbian and bi people as part of your attack. We’re not the problem.

Exactly, how disgusting.

If hate crimes against LGBTQIA+ folk are risiing, they have to think why it might be.

Of course you need to examine the numbers more carefully. Not least because hate crimes have NOT been rising against transgender people and ‘QIA+’ are not protected characteristics under hate crimes legislation and are not monitored. That leaves LGB…

Joey2323, Shelefttheweb, it was they themselves who I quoted, as includiing all the LGBTQIA+as victims of hate crimes, but saying particularly against trans. I should perhaps have said they should think why in that particular case. Don't know they figurss, as I only get to see results of harm to women by representatives of thans. They included the other latters.
I don't spend my life monitoring my boycott list, I knew about the changing rooms, so I don't buy clothes there, or M&S.
Sorry to have offended. Still going to write. Perhaps they should get their facts right.

It's not victim blaming. Trans movement has bullied women and tried to shame those standing up for women's rights for a few years now and thankfully, people are beginning to see through it.

Not that I support hate, but anything that doesn't accept twaw is packaged as hate these days. So the word has lost its meaning, like several other words I can think of.

Some people are later than others to realise the increasing encroachment of trans rights on women’s rights, which rights ought to be balanced fairly. While I am grateful for the earlier sheroes who have been fighting a long time on this, it is not a competition or a matter of blame if some are later to this realisation.

It’s a parallel universe , isn’t it? I go into my local Waitrose (the leaf tea is just not available anywhere else) and there are staff and customers of all genders and races and ages, apparently peacefully coexisting and indeed , chatting.

Then their free sheet tells me that they / we are all terrified of each other.

They’ve taken P.Schofield off the cover, though, I note.

The PIPs group is an internal group. There's no forced entry or publicising - outside of that carried out by individuals - outside of the Partnership.

There are also religious groups, photography groups, sailing groups etc.

Not really any business of the general public, to be honest.

Unfortunately the CPS define hate crime as anything that is perceived as hate.

That can include anything. From misgendering to expressing concern about males in spaces and services where women are vulnerable. But really, absolutely anything - whether genuinely perceived or not.

It is a misguided policy, not least because it masks the extent of actual hate crime.

I don’t care who quoted who. I am responded to the fact that someone is presenting a falsehood so people reading this thread may be left under the impression that Transgender hate crimes have risen when they have actually fallen.

The ‘hate’ element is just about sentencing, but first an actual crime must have taken place.

This is from the Met's response to a FOI request for transphobic hate crime data (#01.FOI.22.023767):

"The Crown Prosecution Service lists transphobic hate crimes as the below; "Any incident/criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender"."

The forward slash indicates alternatives - incident or criminal offence.

Then their free sheet tells me that they / we are all terrified of each other

Crap recipes, too. Do they have a competition going on lately to see just how rank they can make them?

Who would have though a free magazine about food from a supermarket wasn’t a reliable source on crime data.

The police are now being discouraged from recording non crime hate incidents - lovely piece of Orwellianism there - however up until this point, reporting feeling offended by something to the police could get a mark put on a person's record for causing said offense. With no right of defense or response or even necessity to prove that it was true. See the transcript of the Fair Cop court case.

A non crime hate incident could well have been, for example, a male person offended at the 'transphobia' of a female homosexual explaining that they did not have sex with people with penises regardless of how the person with the penis identified.

There are plenty of homosexual people who at this point are trying to get the captured institutions to realise that they are in fact supporting a movement that is homophobic and increasingly questionable in many ways, and do not represent the voices or experiences or wishes of LGBT+ people who are not politically compliant and useful. It is now a TQ+ political movement which excludes LGBT+ people who will not do as the political movement commands, and wishes to end homosexuality as transphobic. However most continue to think nice lovely rainbows and Pride in homosexuality and celebration of differences, and it suits the political lobby to continue to rely on that marketing and innocence of customers. I'm one of those LGB people: I am no longer welcome at Pride or at groups for being open about being homosexual.

So no. Not keen to blindly support rainbow laces et al or companies buying into it, because they are a political symbol of a movement that wants to suppress and oppress me while keeping the illusion that they speak for me. Not much nice about that really. Certainly nothing to be Proud of.

Hurrah! Well said.

Yeah, not convincing.

It's a bad idea to say LGBT whatever when you actually mean T and only T. If you 'support the alphabet' then please support the right to be homosexual without the TQ lobby screaming at you to learn to cope with straight sex and that your homosexuality is sexual racism. And don't bloody destroy women's rights, child safeguarding and call all protests against this 'hate' in my bloody name as an L person, and call it 'supporting me'.

This is kind, but I'm afraid it's very naive. The organisations aren't uninformed on this, just politically captured. It's not like women haven't told them. Repeatedly. In detail.

Hello Frood, I love your posts in general, they are articulate and well reasoned and I usually think you are right.

I think I must have been having an off day with that May post. I am indeed a firm believer in offering people a bridge back from their earlier (in my view quite mad) views on GI and this stuff is so concealed and poorly discussed so I think often people have not really been fully aware of what is going on. However, John Lewis is I assume teeming with HR people. I think this week’s Identity mag is a disgrace. Shame on them for encouraging families to collude with the medicalisation and harm of their children and teenagers.

Oh lord it's a zombie. Missed that completely.

Sorry.