How has the media conditioned people to 'be kind' re transgender debate?

[FriendofJoanne]

It definitely has; when I saw a friend a few months ago and shared the Sex Matters petition and said "but there are only 2 biological sexes" she said "but you can't say that any more".

I feel that we have absorbed the message that speaking against the trans rights movement is to be a bigot or transphobic but I'm looking for evidence of how this happened if anyone can help?

I've read the Shonagh Dillon paper (here if anyone hasn't read it) but that focuses on social media rather than mainstream. Does anyone know of anything which looks at mainstream media? Thanks

Sorry everyone. Just coming back to this thread. That second link is to the Denton’s report.

As I said, in the past month that has been deleted from that link, but there are archive sites with it on. I cannot post those links though as MN deletes archive links.

Yep! This.

Whenever I see ‘I am happy to share womaanhood’, I think well, I don’t, so why does your opinion count more than mine.

Then, when you strip away the ‘I am happy to share…’, it is only superficial anyway. The reality is, that they aren’t for every single possibility. Therefore it is a false statement.

People have always been kind to those who are different.

This is one of the maddest statements about humanity I think I’ve ever read. Hatred and fear of those different to ourselves is the engine of racism, xenophobia, nationalism, homophobia etc

I think the mangling of pronoun usage in media articles has been deliberate and designed to obfuscate what's really happening.

There is never any clear indication of whether pronouns used are sex or gender based and without this information, people can't tell the truth of the matter. Often sex and gender based pronouns will be used within the same article, to the point many people (including me) just don't believe reporting about sex/gender anymore because you just can't possibly know which they're using on any given occasion.

Though usually when it comes to crime reporting they assume the victims pronouns without bothering to ask whilst going out of their way to ensure the perpetrator isn't made to feel sad by using the wrong pronouns.

This sort of obfuscation in any other article would be considered misleading and of course in reality it is misleading but somehow they've got away with it for years.

I have an issue with men claiming to be women expecting me to validate them. And I most certainly won’t be doing that. I’ll be polite and respectful to genuine trans who don’t go around DEMANDING that I so do. I couldn’t care less what trans men do, they are women so they don’t bother me in the slightest, they are very welcome in womens showers, changing rooms etc. I’ve zero respect for AGP men, especially those who terrorise their wives. I’ve also zero time for men with perverted sexual kinks. How dare you suggest that I or others on here are not tolerant. We’ve been too tolerant actually. And now because of that children have been irreparably damaged. Particularly girls.

Do you think I should ‘tolerate’ a naked man in my swimming pool changing room because he’s decided he’s a woman? If you do, then you and he are not being tolerant of my view that woman should be entitled to our safe spaces.

Maybe you would find this thread interesting and informative.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4796082-still-genuinely-willing-to-discuss-in-good-faith?reply=125822073

Or, as others have said, start a thread and ask the questions you want answered. If you ask in a respectful way, you might get answers.

I’ll be polite and respectful to genuine trans who don’t go around DEMANDING that I so do

So in fact you'll be polite and respectful to anyone who treats you with equality and reciprocity of politeness and respectfulness. That'll work.

I'll go along with that, and I'll be completely diversity inclusive and equal opportunities with it, and say that's how I am with everyone of either sex, any gender, any belief, yada yada.

I will not be making special exceptions to this for any group. I will not be indulging or enabling people who wish to behave badly or abusively towards me regardless of their choice of label, and I will not regard any choice of label as a reason to get away with being an arse to other people while requiring special treatment from them.

Not being a gullible twit and possessing normal boundaries.