Could this be the end of medical transitioning children

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Biggest US children's hospital stops sex-reassignment treatments https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12120177/Americas-biggest-childrens-hospital-stops-sex-reassignment-treatments-line-new-Texas-law.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Khloe Kardashian has also now said that she hasn’t bonded the same with her son born via surrogate last summer. That it felt transactional and she felt guilty taking him away.

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This is in Texas, as a result of a state law passed by a majority Republican legislature.

The same may happen in other red states

I can't see it happening in blue states.

If they’re not careful they will be left with a patchwork quilt. You can live in a state with no medical transitioning but no abortion or one where abortions are available but they’re desperate to perform medical transitioning procedures on your child.

liberal but sensible doesn’t seem to be an option.

Sadly not. The hospital even say they intend to get around the new law by referring out of state.

I don’t think Kim Kardashian’s trading of humans is irrelevant either, surrogacy and child transition are both about the commoditisation of women hood and children by powerful misogynistic groups.

No it won’t be the end of medical transition of children. This has come about due to a change in the law in that state. Doctors in other states will not follow suit unless they are forced. Sadly this looks to become something that is banned in Republican states and encouraged in Democrat states who are going so far as to offer “sanctuary” to children from states who are banning doctors from offering such “treatments”.

Until the cost of lawsuits is bigger than the income from medicalisation, nothing will change.

Disgraceful but true. For once, I’m longing for money-hungry lawyers to get on the case.

Agree. Ironically, it's legally risky for hospitals to stop offering transition at this point, unless forced to do so by legislators, because to stop would be a tacit admission of wrong-doing. Class actions by detransitioners are already in the pipeline; hospitals won't want to give them ammunition.

It's litigation that will eventually stop the medical/surgical transitioning of minors in the US, but I reckon we are a decade away. A single class action isn't going to do it. However, already, there is more questioning and the US public are waking up to the harms, so hopefully the rate at which children are being damaged will slow down.

I think US laws have limitations on bringing lawsuits for health stuff? We know it takes years to work through the process of transition with temporary relief at each stage, so by the time detransitioners are aware that they have been chasing a mirage that has left them very harmed they have timed out on the ability to bring law suits?

''Transgender medicine is hugely lucrative,' said the hospital insider.
'It's like $70,000 to $80,000 dollars per kid if they go through with the whole thing — all the pharmacology drugs, all these companies that are making millions of dollars.''

IDK about lawsuits being what will end this, to be honest.

Once a critical mass of parents realise what is happening, that children are being sterilised and harmed by treatments being rushed through with no good evidence base, we may see a very strong backlash.

As ever, the more these issues come into the sunlight, the more questions are asked, the more it becomes clear that there is no real basis for sterilising or harming children and young people.

And then people get angry.

Varies by state, but the clock usually starts when you become aware of the harm, not when the harm occurred (if different).

I think you're right - it can be as little as two years. It's very difficult too because the notorious Dr Sidhbh Gallagher, for one, has opted out of medical malpractice insurance. What this means is that there's no point in suing her because she won't be able to afford to pay - and therefore lawyers won't take on cases against her. I expect the same is true of other doctors.

It's a mad situation, really. We assume the US is full of people taking out medical malpractice suits all the time, but it's harder than it sounds. And the laws vary from state to state.

I don't know. Americans can't even get angry and organise properly when their drinking water is poisoned by big industry such as happened by Dupont in Ohio/West Virginia and in Flint with the lead. When there's a lot of money at stake in America, people's objections just get ignored in favour of the person with the money doing whatever they want, and in this case the people with the money are those with a vested interest in profiting off little boys naturally wanting to wear dresses and little girls naturally wanting to climb trees, and medicalising it.
I can't imagine the absolute horror of being a little child waking up post surgery, it actually makes me feel sick.

Indeed, the United States seems to be on a pathway towards becoming the. 'Disunited States'.

I'd love to believe that's true, but think how invested you have to be in the ideology, in order to contemplate castrating your own child in the first place.

I think you are right that the climate is becoming easier in some states for sceptical parents to push back against the "better a live trans child than a dead non-trans one" nonsense. But it's patchy - some Blue states are doubling down: from memory, it's Oregon and California that have recently given social services statutory powers to remove children whose parents don't support their transition - previously this was happening sporadically, depending on the individual social workers' attitudes, now it has statutory power.

Unfortunately, the issue is so politically polarised in the US that uncritical support for gender ideology has become an article of faith on the Left.

I had in mind other parents than ones invested in the ideology, though. People get angry about child abuse, even when it's happening to other people's children.

And as we've seen here, worth bearing in mind that although some may try to paint this as a left/right issues, it's cross party political. And a tiny number of very determined legislators can push things through - that doesn't mean that it reflects the majority of opinion.

You don’t get much for $70,000 under American healthcare. I imagine that would just be the start. If anything goes wrong then the costs start to sky rocket. And then there are all the ongoing costs and costs of dealing with future impacts of the treatment. Plus you will be tied to drugs which could very well experience rapid unaffordable increase - look at what has happened with insulin for diabetics.

No, it will take lawsuits from de-transitioners and people physically damaged by the procedures, then it will stop. I'm sure it won't be long though....

Surely the law only applies if you do damage which wasn’t medically necessary, and doctors wouldn’t be doing that anyway? <innocent face>

The only good thing about the speed they have fed some of the kids through from first appointment to breast removal is that rather than the 20/30 year lag you tend to get on medical malpractice on large numbers of people these kids will be getting to the legal stage of the battle much quicker.

I think as this first trench of kids hit their 20s and realise that they've been fucked over this will quickly change the whole field.

While I want it to stop, I don't like to think of the heartbreak of the young people involved 💔

There's a couple of women in the process of suing in the US aren't there? Chloe Cole and Layla Jane. It'll be interesting to see what happens in these cases. They seem to have pretty strong cases. Both so young when they were given hormones and had their breasts removed. And I think both still only 18 years-old now.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/chloe-cole-v-kaiser-permanente/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11873443/California-teen-sues-doctors-breast-removal-surgery-13-Kaiser-Permanentes-2nd-lawsuit.html