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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Statement by the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women and Girls, Reem Alsalem.

63 replies

WarriorN · 22/05/2023 16:07

"BOOM!

Statement by the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women and Girls, Reem Alsalem.

ohchr.org/sites/default/…

It is unequivocal in condemning the silencing, harassment and failure to protect women and girls for raising questions about gender identity."

Fantastic news!

Screen shots of the statement in the tweet.

twitter.com/jophoenix1/status/1660660935025934337?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

OP posts:
ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 19:25

The Special Rapporteurs, Independent Experts and Working Groups are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN Human Rights system, is the general name of the Council’s independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms that address either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures’ experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures-human-rights-council

How do special procedure mandate-holders make a difference? Special procedure mandate-holders help advance human rights in ways both small and large. They contribute to:

Legislative reform
Improve access to mechanisms of redress
Policy reform
Human rights mainstreaming
Contribution to government/judicial processes
Human rights standard setting
Raising human rights awareness
Facilitating dialogue/coalition setting
Preventing/cessation of violations

Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/SP/Pages/Welcomepage.aspx

Hagosaurus · 22/05/2023 19:31

Arabella. Sorry, I can’t get on Twitter - long shot, is anyone explaining why women shouldn’t be allowed to talk about things that affect them?

nilsmousehammer · 22/05/2023 19:36

Well said, that woman!

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 19:40

Hagosaurus · 22/05/2023 19:31

Arabella. Sorry, I can’t get on Twitter - long shot, is anyone explaining why women shouldn’t be allowed to talk about things that affect them?

Because we’re women. No, sorry, scrap that we can’t define that term.

No, I’ve got it now - it’s because we identify as women! Actually, nope scrap that as males can identify as women.

Argh, shucks it’s because we don’t have a penis isn’t it.

nilsmousehammer · 22/05/2023 19:41

Hagosaurus · 22/05/2023 19:31

Arabella. Sorry, I can’t get on Twitter - long shot, is anyone explaining why women shouldn’t be allowed to talk about things that affect them?

A quick glance through:

arguments so far:

She may possibly be somehow being financed by anti abortionists

worldwide anti gender campaign attacking trans people's existing rights is a threat to women's rights too (somehow) and pretending otherwise is a lot of word salad

Nazi

protecting transphobes right to be transphobic, gender critical ideology is trans eliminationist (again somehow)

women and girls obviously includes male people identifying as women and girls

imperative to survival to drown out and fracture the skulls of those calling for eradication (by wanting equality, access, that kind of thing)

You get the gist.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/05/2023 19:42

Hagosaurus · 22/05/2023 19:31

Arabella. Sorry, I can’t get on Twitter - long shot, is anyone explaining why women shouldn’t be allowed to talk about things that affect them?

We're returning to the Victorian era it seems. Pompous men - politicians, barristers, lecturers, sports governing bodies etc along with entitled young males (accompanied by foolish young women) all determining what women are allowed to speak about, meet with, take part in and undress in front of.
The patriarchy in action 🙄

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 19:47

@nilsmousehammer ’worldwide anti gender campaign attacking trans people's existing rights is a threat to women's rights too (somehow) and pretending otherwise is a lot of word salad’

😂

nilsmousehammer · 22/05/2023 19:50

Every time a woman says she believes in reality, somewhere another TQ+ political ambition falls down dead.

Ramblingnamechanger · 22/05/2023 19:51

Given the two experts have very different views, how will this play out? Which one will be listened to I wonder?

GailBlancheViola · 22/05/2023 19:52

An excellent statement should be compulsory reading for all MPs.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 19:54

nilsmousehammer · 22/05/2023 19:50

Every time a woman says she believes in reality, somewhere another TQ+ political ambition falls down dead.

Reminded me of ‘Every time a bells rings…’

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 20:00

Completely agree though @nilsmousehammer .

NecessaryScene · 22/05/2023 20:03

Given the two experts have very different views, how will this play out? Which one will be listened to I wonder?

Both, ideally? Is that terribly old-fashioned? Why can't you have a women's representative and a TQ representative? Obviously it would be nice if they had an LGB one too...

TheBiologyStupid · 22/05/2023 20:03

nothingcomestonothing · 22/05/2023 16:18

Oh oh, can she tell Victor Madrigal-Borloz? I don't think he's up to speed on this

Absolutely!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/05/2023 20:10

thanks for starting the thread @WarriorN . I'm delighted to see the statement and I think your title is fine!

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 20:17

Hagosaurus · 22/05/2023 19:31

Arabella. Sorry, I can’t get on Twitter - long shot, is anyone explaining why women shouldn’t be allowed to talk about things that affect them?

it's fascistnazihatespeech, I believe.

Women's rights are dogwhistles for the US Xtian right.

To paraphrase.

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 20:21

worldwide anti gender campaign

It's quite interesting, because one could say this was a rather bland way of describing many of feminism's aims. To examine, criticise and question 'gender', otherwise known as 'sex stereotypes'.

And seems a tacit admission that genderism is all about upholding, reinforcing, and reifying gender (stereotypes).

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 20:25

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 20:17

it's fascistnazihatespeech, I believe.

Women's rights are dogwhistles for the US Xtian right.

To paraphrase.

WTAF?

This is so screwed up. I can’t believe the misogyny just goes so unnoticed.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/05/2023 20:26

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 19:09

Good idea to send to MPs.

Twitter responses are predictable. Alsalem is accused of 'overt bigotry'.

https://twitter.com/UN_SPExperts/status/1660601329394278401

god twitter's such a fucking mess. every so often i take a peek on there and then back out slowly. it's loon central

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 20:38

Well I think it can only help that the people pushing genderism or whatever they want to call it are posting the most ludicrous hyperbolic batshit out loud, on the account of a UN expert.

It's certainly going to throw some of the more unhinged assertions into the sunlight.

'women's rights are fascism' - that'll show 'em!

So let's celebrate it getting an airing.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/05/2023 20:41

if gender loons want to go full out batshit in reply to a UN press release, that is indeed a good thing in my opinion

it just hurts my head

PopGoesTheProsecco · 22/05/2023 20:52

From the elation I felt when I first saw this thread, I now feel saddened. I don’t think it will change a thing because males are still in charge of our society and they have no ‘skin’ in this game. They don’t give a f@ck - because it’s not their rights being eroded.

‘Hey women - be happy because a biological male has beat you in cycling (but you must celebrate their feminine side), women be accepting of males on your prison wings (you’re a prisoner, no one cares about you so we’ll push the boundaries of acceptance here).

Women - if you object we will deploy our male bullying and violent techniques to silence you. ‘

OMG - I used to be part of the ‘be kind’ brigade. Absolutely no more. I’m done with being kind. I’m fighting for my rights.

KohlaParasaurus · 22/05/2023 20:58

Encouraging statement, and so reasonable that the spluttering responses look all the more deranged.

ArabeIIaScott · 22/05/2023 21:07

Well, the first tweet responding to the UN's perfectly illustrates Alsalem's points about smearing women with insinuations:

'From all those who you consider your friends on this argument, you may want to take a long hard look at where their finances are coming from. If you think the Alliance Defending Freedom is the way forward, then you're with those who wish to remove access to abortion from women.'

A few more, for those who can't access Twitter:

'And the ones branded genocidal LITERALLY said that transgender people "are a huge problem in a sane world" and should "have their numbers reduced".'

'The worldwide anti gender campaign, of which these attacks on trans people’s existing rights are only one part, is a massive threat to women’s rights too. Pretending otherwise is politically motivated propaganda.'

'These days you can't even have Nazis repeatedly turn up to your events to support you without being called a Nazi'

'You mean protect the right of transphobes to be transphobic.@UNSRVAW
is an adherent of “gender critical” ideology, which is trans-eliminationist.'

'You only need to look at who she follows: anti-trans hate groups and transphobic trolls. Textbook example of institutional capture.@UNSRVAW
is not fit to hold her position as a UN special rapporteur.'

'@UNSRVAW, an advocate for the elimination of trans people from society, is not fit for the position and is a threat to the rights of women and girls'

''Women & girls' includes trans women & girls They too have the right to speak on sex, gender, & #genderidenity without intimidation or fear, & on the threats against their existence by those who attempt to deny them the safety of female spaces & services'

'Incredibly dishonest framing. If these people cared about women and girls they'd have moved on to actual problems rather than harassing trans people daily. It's a fascist hate movement wearing the skin of a feminist organization and it isn't feminist or progressive.'

I think that gives you a flavour. There are also many supportive responses.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2023 21:09

Textbook example of institutional capture.^^@UNSRVAW
is not fit to hold her position as a UN special rapporteur.'

Huge DARVO.