Two Australian women told they broke the law after criticizing male breastfeeding child

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Article from Reduxx, based on previous reporting from the Daily Mail.

Seems that if you live in Australia, you're no longer allowed to criticise men who force babies to consume their drug-induced lactations.

That is chilling to read.

Disturbing reading.
I find that male's attitude to feeding his infant totally in contrast to my own and other mother's I know experience of breastfeeding and feeding.

Every single mother I know was so anxious to get it right when feeding. Were they feeding enough? Timing feeds. Constant weighing. Is mixed feeding ok? Is formula ok? Is using milk stimulants or herbs ok?

I know mother's adamant that they wanted to breastfeed switching to bottle for their baby's safety..I know mother's who fed into toddler good and gave up their personal freedoms to give their baby immunity benefits. Mother's who went years without a night's sleep to do what they believed was right for their baby.

The Blaise way this male fed an infant with, what? Pus? From his chest is awful. We know the reason formula is so regulated is that it is so important to get nutrients right to support early brain development and avoid disease like ricketts. How anyone with any knowledge of breastfeeding can be silent whilst this child abuse goes on I don't know.

And it does meet abuse or neglect standards by UK standards so I am perfectly in my rights to use that word.

My son was born very prematurely. Too premature for even premature baby formula. He had to have fluids through a drip for the first 48 hours because he was so ill but I was told what would be best for him was for me to start expressing ASAP and if I didn’t want to or couldn’t get my milk y to I come in it would be best for him to have milk from the milk bank.

Of course I started expressing, initially by hand, tiny drops of colostrum that my husband had to help me try and catch in a syringe and then with a pump. I had to set alarms to get up in the night and pump and every couple of hours in the day, sitting next to his incubator.
And if I hadn’t been able to do it then he would have had donor milk in a heartbeat and I will always be thankful that there are other mums who selflessly donate their milk.

But while his wife was unwell postnatally and at the time when helping her to breastfeed to establish her milk supply and for their son to have colostrum and all the antibodies that come with that he was getting the baby to suck on his nipples so he could experience ‘breastfeeding.’

Rather than put his wife and his baby first he chose to satisfy his own needs and wants even when the baby was jaundiced and needed milk.

The least motherly, most male entitled thing I can think of. His behaviour disgusts me and I don’t care if I get deleted.

I remember being horrified by this story the first time I red it.
It's even more horrifying to discover that experts in breastfeeding are being silenced when they call out the unknown risks.
Chemically induced secretions from a male body can not possibly be colostrum. It's an unknown substance that is at best a mimic of colostrum.
Many babies don't get access to colostrum (mothers may be unable to feed, including from the start, for a variety of reasons) and formulas are rigoursly controlled for safety as a safe substitute, including for during the early few days. This experiment is unethical and should have been knocked on the head by any medical professional who was overseeing the care of the mother and baby.

*read it

It must surely be unethical to experiment on new born babies. Those babies have no choice in the matter. How do they know its safe? What if the baby falls ill or worse?

And just as importantly, why are Australians being silenced from providing any criticism of it?

Remember everyone though, being a woman is nothing to do with being female. It's just a huge coincidence that this woman is trying to emulate a female bodily function.

That's all I can say that won't get me deleted.

This is sickening. That poor baby. It should have been put on formula milk to make sure it got the nutrients it needs instead this man is getting off on having a hungry baby suck his nipples while still going hungry.

I actually think it's child abuse.

Nah that's just plain weird, really don't need to say anything more.

The whole thing is disgusting from start to finish. Fetishistic men using new born babies to mimic lactation, and the authorities collaborating with them to stop people criticising it?

How the fuck have they sunk so low.

I have to assume that the general public in Australia is unaware. You can't have an entire country populated by people who would accept this. I don't believe it.

i'm glad these women are speaking out and aren't in the slightest bit cowed by the horrific censorship they are being subjected to.

Brave.

Omg I feel utterly sick reading this.

I looked at the eSafety Commission site, to see if there's any more information about which laws tweets and articles in general might violate.

Didn't find any, but they list various issues they fight against, such as online bullying, doxxing, image theft etc.

So perhaps the individual(s) referred to complained?

But I'd still want to understand what, exactly, violated what laws in those tweets (and in the earlier Reddit article about the trans athlete in women's football), and what other activism that Commission takes online and on whose behalf.

@Datun - yes, a great proportion of the Australian public are absolutely unaware of the shit going on here.

The ones that do know and try to speak out are silenced and face threats of job loss, media attack and arrest/prosecution.

Gender identity laws were put through on the quiet, piggybacked onto other legislation.

Children are being removed from parents who refuse to affirm and sanction surgery, any male can use female spaces (from primary school up in education), lesbians are not allowed to hold events without allowing TW, drag queen story time is vigorously defended by various levels of government, and anyone opposing is labelled (in Parliament) homophobic, transphobic, racist and sexist, and told to get out because they aren’t welcome.

Welcome to Australia - the lucky country (for anyone except biological women who want to protect their rights and safeguard children).

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/daniel-andrews-slams-protesters-for-hate-speech-after-cancellation-of-drag-storytime-event/news-story/bbe9fc3acafa23ffe1f4a32fc0926c13

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12092555/Dan-Andrews-hosts-drag-queen-storytime-event-kids-Victorias-parliament-house.html

I think this needs to hit the news in Australia more often. People don’t understand the full extent of the issues. They dismiss it as ‘be kind’ but when they actually find out about the extent of the laws and consequences that has for women and children, well, it doesn’t pass the pub test.

I had no idea this was a thing.

Ive been following this tin foil hattery for about five years now. Every time you think "right, that's it, cannot get any more batshit than that", it does.

@DifficultBloodyWoman - it doesn’t hit the news here, though - unless it is reporting about the “anti-trans” activist KJK, the “anti-trans” rallies, and the “bigoted” hate filled anti drag queen opponents.

Australia media is completely captured, and when anyone tries to reveal the truth, science or reality, they are vilified in the press as hateful and discriminatory.

Speaking to other parents/friends demonstrates just how little the average Australian knows about this whole trans debacle, and generally people feel you must be either joking, lying or exaggerating what is actually happening right now.

Mumsnet anthem:

I’m in Australia and I read the news every day. I had no idea of this story. And no surprise given the level of censorship. Jesus how about the e-safety commissioner focusing on women who receive rape and death threats online on a daily basis instead of propping up male entitlement?

It seems from the story that the medical professionals caring for the baby were not at all happy about the plan so he just went behind their back to do what he wanted. The absolute antithesis of being a good parent is to ignore your child’s needs to meet your own wants. Poor kid.

Christ, that’s just vile.
maybe I’m way off the mark here but I can’t help but think sexual gratification is a part of this.

For those who have not read the threads about males feeding infants the secretions from their breasts before here are some links.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-uOWyW0a0EHFcOxL5MmCf5Q&utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-eFdm05QNJngWSRNMPW32yA#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

“However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.”

“Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.”

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.