Two Australian women told they broke the law after criticizing male breastfeeding child

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Article from Reduxx, based on previous reporting from the Daily Mail.

Seems that if you live in Australia, you're no longer allowed to criticise men who force babies to consume their drug-induced lactations.

This comes from that link too:

“After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.”

“Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.”

Just* *for clarity, the baby was fed exclusively for six weeks from the secretions from the male.

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

I can't even with this...

Disgusting and distinctly lacking in sanity.

But obviously you're phobic if you find it disturbing and raise any concerns. Must validate at all costs. Who cares what's best for the baby, as long as the delusional are 'affirmed'?

I might have missed it, but I think this is the link to the article referred to in redux about Buckley. I thought Buckley looked familiar.

The article has been deleted by Daily Mail. But please plug the link into archive (dot) is or ph and it should work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

This is a medically trained male paramedic who did this by the way.

There have been numerous threads about this in the past and never once have we been offerred any benefit for the infant in all this. Not once.

Here is another one .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10845453/amp/Transgender-woman-blasted-revealing-attempting-breastfeed-wifes-newborn-daughter.html

Quite a few issues in that article.

Here is a few statements:

''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

I am really looking forward to posters telling us just what about this interview is not pointing out that this all about the male. What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

And those posters can also then point out just how that male feeding the newborn whatever the substance was, that they were producing was providing the newborn nutrition.

I doubt we will get any though.

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

And finally, this might be interesting for those not in the UK and who may have not seen it previously.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10892531/NHS-accused-putting-babies-harm-advice-trans-women-wanting-breastfeed.html

Agree that this is child abuse.

Chilling quotes from the male - the wellbeing of his child doesn’t factor into his decision making at all.

I just saw this quotation from one of them in @Helleofabore’s linked article:

”I've stayed away from the progesterone in hopes that at some point I can re-lactate and get into donation.”

So unless the donation services reject these males, we might come to a point when mothers whose babies need to use donated milk can no longer rely upon it being safe. These men are absolute narcissists. The self-absorption and disregard for others is off the scale.

I believe male people use the potential of donation to legitimise their fantasy.

Has any women either induced lactation or relactated just to ‘have the experience’ (and not been referred for mental health support)? I am not talking about women who extend their milk supply for a time to donate. I am talking about women who have started lactation deliberately when there is no infant to feed.

Yet, these male people do it and then wish to donate their secretions. When no one has done adequate research on the composition of those secretions. There is no research on the drugs that that male is taking and the secretions they expect a child to consume.

There is no research on the effect of testosterone that may be in that substance. Because that male person may either be not suppressing their testosterone or the suppression may be ineffectual.

If testosterone is secreted, the effect of testosterone that is much higher than a female body would have on a female infant could be permanent and harmful.

None of this is for the benefit of and infant.

In Buckley’s case, the baby’s medical team said it was not advisable, but this male person did it anyway. In fact, planned for months and even had stored a supply in the freezer.

But the article made out that this male swooped to the rescue to feed that starving child! If the child was starving, where was the formula. Or did the couple refuse formula to allow this male person to have that moment of rescue? Where was the emergency donated milk? Surely there would have been some.

No. The male in this article seemed to be doing this purely from narcissism at the very least . And I suspect any male who does this seeks to legitimise their reason somehow. And donation does that too.

The NHS needs to take a seriously good look at itself and its guidelines on all of this.

It should be stating very clearly that it can not support any breastfeeding approach which causes unknown risk to the baby, including trans women using drugs to secrete from male bodies and trans men who continue testosterone during (and before) breastfeeding.

I remember the uproar about BPA in bottles and how this became very widely known as potentially damaging to babies, by introducing oestrogen. Also a similar risk with nappies and oestrogen I think? Although I may have remembered that one wrong. So how this is flying under the radar so spectacularly is beyond wrong.

As for donations from secreting trans women to milk banks.....! The NHS needs to baton down the hatches and make this a firm no.

Anything else is experimenting on children. The Cass Review covers the part where children are old enough to express their own thoughts and feelings but this seems to be sliding under the radar entirely.

To keep it in perspective, it must be a tiny problem at the moment. However, it seems to be anecdotally on the rise. If vitamin K is given routinely to mothers during childbirth to prevent serious but rare health conditions in babies, this serious but rare problem can also be prevented. It's a lot cheaper than vitamin K to all as well. It just takes some grown ups to write some words and policies.

No milk bank would take this so that’s one thing we can not worry about. I remember I couldn’t donate as by the time I felt able to my baby was too old (toddler ish maybe).

It’s a child protection issue - esp if the one of these babies was only given male milk for 6 weeks. Clearly that’s neglect.

Turns out Brighton NHS has hit the news again.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4810003-brighton-nhs-trust-recommends-drug-induced-male-breastfeeding-in-their-maternity-protocols?page=1

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop. It dawns on you that there is no upper limit.

You're not way off the mark at all.
This is AGP.

It sounds very much the same as we were a few years ago.

Women trying desperately to tap every single contact they had to get this information into the press.

I can remember feeling astounded that it wasn't in the press. That the headlines would be explosive.

And that constant feeling that right, this is the tipping point. Or, ok, this instance is the one where the damn must burst.

But unfortunately, it was a lot slower than that. A gradual drip, drip, drip.

And the other thing I think helped here is that we are a small country with a lot of people in it. The number of people actually affected is quite a lot. And word-of-mouth is definitely a thing.

But, I genuinely think we will prevail. Even if it takes a while. It's so evidently wrong, and the number of actual people affected by it is increasing.

Plus, once the scales fall, they fall with such a crash, you can hear it from space.

The realisation that you've been duped is a massive driver.

I can't remember which one of the transwomen that hellofabore has mentioned it was, but one of them said, it's more exciting than anything a partner could ever do to you.

And then said please don't judge me.

Oh God.
I judge him.
How fucking dare he?

We are behind, @Datun , and in so much of a worse state than I think your country ever fell to…. Legislation has been passed here, enshrining gender identity as a protected characteristic. Not just gender reassignment, but gender identity.

This is why the women in the OP were able to be castigated and threatened with prosecution for calling out the depravity of forcing a newborn to suckle a male nipple and ingest whatever secretions are leaking out due to the drugs being taken. Why no one in any position of authority here is asking why these innocent babies are being potentially horrifically damaged (physically, emotionally, cognitively, hormonally, etc) to fuel the delusions and fetishes of mentally ill males.

As is missing regarding gender reassignment surgeries, where are the studies, the evidence, the long term follow up showing no harm is done to the baby? That there is no detrimental impact on brain development, cognition, emotions, immune system, gut, etc?

That these infants forced to ingest the cocktail of drugs taken by TW will have no devastating consequences curtailing their life expectancy, their fertility, their mental health, their susceptibility to cancer and other diseases, or other effects months/years/etc later in life? Where is the evidence of what impact this may have on the generation after (if these children are able to even reproduce, given the distorted amounts and combinations of hormones they have ingested as infants)?

Here, I am in a country where a State Premier ranted in Parliament that those opposing drag Queen story time were racists, homophobes, transphobes, and sexist bigots who were not welcome in society. This is the level of indoctrination, of legislation, of lunacy, under which women who ask about proof that children are not harmed by the actions of the gender identity ideologues are persecuted and potentially prosecuted.

For wanting to believe, state and live according to reality, fact and science.

For believing and stating that males are not females, and that protection of innocent children is paramount.

For wanting children to be protected.

Oh yes

They described it as an electrical charge.

Do you also remember the South American photographer that released the photos of the male model with estrogen derived breasts pretending to feed an infant? The infant was a prop for that photoshoot!

Some of these posts make me feel ill and it was bad just at the op

So bad

God this is appalling...the narcissism and selfishness of the individual - to prioritise their fantasies of being a 'woman' over the feeding needs of a vulnerable infant. Makes me furious and nauseated at the same time.

Biological sex matters, nobody can convinced me otherwise.

Jesus Brisland, you have my utmost sympathy. What a shit show all this is.

Yes, you're right, your legislation has been passed, when ours was stopped at the eleventh hour. Well some of it.

Legislation is hard to reverse, I agree. But it can be done. Especially when people start to sue.

With a lot of Europe putting a brake on puberty blockers, and questioning the medication of children, it will ripple out eventually.

But in the meantime, I agree, it's absolutely infuriating and scary.

Indeed.

Once you have read some of the lactation fantasies in places like Reddit, you can never see this as anything other than a particularly nasty fetish.

These men take a cocktail of drugs and then spend, quite literally, months on end desperately trying to squeeze out one or two drops of liquid in order to fantasise that they are lactating.

It's truly revolting. Not least the fact that the men, many of whom are quite young, devote so much of themselves to pornographic escalation. They don't think about the mother, the baby, the social stigma, nothing.

I don't get me started on the wholesale male support for a nine-year-old drag queen calling himself Lactatia. Ffs.