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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lib Dems drop Self ID as a policy - Another win !

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fromorbit · 19/05/2023 01:31

The latest huge U-turn the Lib Dems have apparently dropped self ID for transgender people from their future policies according to Lib Voice for Women.

https://twitter.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1659144117476024321

After the SNP disaster no-one is keen to talk about it openly. Other unlikely ideas still being backed though.

Meanwhile in Scotland the Scottish LibDem leader willie_rennie is backtracking like mad over the latest horrific crime which men dressing as women helped lay the ground for. Pity he vote for a self id bill with no safeguards.

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1659208486344097795

https://twitter.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1659144117476024321

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AmuseBish · 19/05/2023 19:24

I doubt they've dropped it - there are tons of gender true believers in the party who would be flouncing very noisily if they had.

Interesting they use "same-sex couples" in that link. As if sex trumps gender sometimes?

JanesLittleGirl · 19/05/2023 19:27

ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 19:13

They'd be my party of choice had they not collectively surrendered their brains and hearts to this mad orthodoxy.

I think that you have misunderstood me. The soft spot that I have for them is Poole harbour. I'd happily chuck the whole party in the fucking sea. I voted LD in 2010 because of tuition fees. I haven't seen anything that they are not prepared to lie about since then.

Why does my auto suggest keep trying to get me to insert "slimy"?

ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 19:28

Ah, I see. Yes, I had no idea what Poole harbour meant! 😁

EdithStourton · 19/05/2023 19:36

SunnyEgg · 19/05/2023 09:58

I don’t think they’ve changed their position

Looking at the tweet and the link, no, seems they haven't.

After a brief flush of hope this morning, I'm all disenfranchised again.

EwwSprouts · 19/05/2023 19:39

They've decided it's expedient to go quiet for a while. Nothing to see here.

tootiredtobother · 19/05/2023 19:43

ooooo agree with that, Zibzibara

JanesLittleGirl · 19/05/2023 21:10

ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 19:28

Ah, I see. Yes, I had no idea what Poole harbour meant! 😁

Guilty of thinking that Dorset is the centre of the Universe.

WorkinMumsince4ever · 19/05/2023 21:27

I saw it as well. Shameful.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/05/2023 00:35

😂

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/05/2023 00:53

anyolddinosaur · 19/05/2023 10:05

local lib dems dont respond to emails about anything trans and when canvassing and I mentioned it they ran away as fast as they could. Untrustworthy liars - unfortunately so are the conservatives who have not reformed the equality act.

Yeah, I brought it up with a LibDem canvasser in the 2017 GE campaign and he practically sprinted out of the garden. They were still in their, ‘No one ever brings it up on the doorstep’ phase - which I guess was true if they never hung around long enough to let them!

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/05/2023 01:00

ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 09:31

Good to see. Although the duplicitous, vindictive bastards deserve to give women an apology for all the shite they've flung at us for the past few years, just for daring to ask questions about the removal of women's rights.

I too would like to see the Tories apologise to every woman damaged by their ridiculous fucked up policies.

But I am glad that next year we will see an end to them and their Self ID fuckwittery.

SammyScrounge · 20/05/2023 01:33

notangelinajolie · 19/05/2023 01:33

A win for who? Women? Or the Lib Dem’s?

Can the Lib-Dems.be trusted? Last year their leader, who seems an unpleasant man, was on his soap box preaching trans rights.

tobee · 20/05/2023 01:50

Haven't trusted them ever really . Look at the way Cyril Smith was covered up for. They have form. Liberal views on some very dodgy stuff.

anyolddinosaur · 20/05/2023 07:41

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Two people in this household - but they were so desperate to get away they didnt even leave a leaflet. Dh didnt vote last time. I used to insist he went to the polling station - now I wont.

Shelefttheweb · 20/05/2023 09:46

They’ve realised why the Dentons playbook said keep it undercover and are going back to that strategy? I don’t for one second believe they have drops it!

SunnyEgg · 20/05/2023 09:47

end to them and their Self ID fuckwittery.

So you’re convinced Labour / Lib Dems will be better?

Based on what?

SunnyEgg · 20/05/2023 09:49

EdithStourton · 19/05/2023 19:36

Looking at the tweet and the link, no, seems they haven't.

After a brief flush of hope this morning, I'm all disenfranchised again.

They are still stating their beliefs

I don’t think it has gone away at all

ChristinaXYZ · 20/05/2023 18:24

LibDems and the Greens have come out of the deabte on women's rights as even worse misogynists than Labour. Which is saying something.

DemiColon · 20/05/2023 19:40

TheBiologyStupid · 19/05/2023 13:39

Davey was minister for Energy and Climate Change when he had his "Oh shit!" moment when discovering that the Drax power station had a higher carbon footprint after switching from coal to wood pellets, and then carried on regardless by pretending that everything was fine. (To be fair, no-one with responsibility for energy has been prepared to grasp that particular nettle despite the even worse information that has come out subsequently about Drax and its fuel supplies etc.)

Maybe it is a bit of an aside, but there are elements of the climate change/energy debate that really remind me of the gender ideology debate.

Among parties like the Lib Dems or Greens, it's almost forbidden to really discuss the kinds of practical problems with a lot of the supposed solutions that are touted for stopping climate change while maintaining the current standard of living. Like the whole electric car thing - the question of what that will mean for the mining industry is not a welcome conversation among environmentalists, and the tendency is to hand wave and say "oh, we will figure out the tech so that's not an issue." Well, you can say that about carbon emissions too, it's not an answer.

And when you see intelligent conservatives say, ok, great, we need to stop climate change, please show me the numbers on how we can do that, and also what we will do to deal with the fallout to the larger global financial system which is largely upheld by cheap energy (whether we like that fact or not), they are inevitably branded as climate deniers. No answers are forthcoming. Glen Loury and Jordan Peterson both come to mind for as having received that kind of treatment, just to give a couple of well known examples.

I am less and less inclined to think that the bad thinking around gender ideology by people like the LibDems is really so much about gender ideology.

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/05/2023 01:01

SunnyEgg · 20/05/2023 09:47

end to them and their Self ID fuckwittery.

So you’re convinced Labour / Lib Dems will be better?

Based on what?

Based on the fact that it was the Tories that made it policy in the UK.

Now Labour and the Lib-dems have seen how it's worked out and want to/can distance themselves from it. The trans shitshow in the UK happened because of the Tories and under their eye. It is more beneficial to them to oppose it now.

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/05/2023 01:02

ChristinaXYZ · 20/05/2023 18:24

LibDems and the Greens have come out of the deabte on women's rights as even worse misogynists than Labour. Which is saying something.

But they're all trailing the Tories in the misogyny stakes.

SunnyEgg · 21/05/2023 09:19

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/05/2023 01:01

Based on the fact that it was the Tories that made it policy in the UK.

Now Labour and the Lib-dems have seen how it's worked out and want to/can distance themselves from it. The trans shitshow in the UK happened because of the Tories and under their eye. It is more beneficial to them to oppose it now.

It’s a nice idea but the trouble is what is going on shows it is unlikely

It was the SNP fiasco that made Starmer think more cautiously, if it hadn’t happened he wouldn’t have paused and toned down language

So it’s the SNP shitshow he wants to avoid. However due to local elections he now feels vindicated that no one is talking about it, so no need to do much other than keep repeating it’s not an issue for women.

Then the Lib Dem tweet below, stating position clearly, and Drakeford insulting rant at a women asking a clear question.

Then there’s Labour Scotland backing SNP whilst Rishi goes to court.

We’re on track to be Canada, Aus, NZ, all to the left

Depressing

FrancescaContini · 21/05/2023 09:23

Hoardasurass · 19/05/2023 08:17

Wasn't it the lib dems who called women "non men"?

Christ

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/05/2023 23:59

FrancescaContini · 21/05/2023 09:23

Christ

That was answered upthread. It's no, it wasn't the Lib Dems.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/05/2023 00:02

We're on track to be Canada, Aus, NZ, all to the left.

No, we're on track to be the UK. Possibly left, but without Self ID because our trans shitshow happened under the right.