Caitlyn Jenner ❤️

[TeaParty4Me]

Caitlyn Jenner is very controversial but I respect them so much.

Watch the video in the link as I think it’s worded perfectly.

I have no issues with transgender people as I think everyone should be whatever makes them happy but women need safe spaces.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/caitlyn-jenner-calls-controversial-transgender-sorority-sister-a-perverted-sexually-deviant-male/amp/

He's just as fake as they are.

OP if you disagree with men going into female toilets, do you object to transwomen using them?
Because transwomen are men, of course.

They're all fake.

You are right, I have misunderstood you to a degree. But I wouldn't imagine l should validate someone's belief that they are a woman simply because we agreed about an issue. To me he is a man whatever his thoughts or opinions. The OP might have been being polite by saying "they" and avoiding pointing out the obvious.

CJ seems to think he is "true trans" and the sorority wanker is just abusing the system (that CJ helped to put in place by leading the way). They are not different really, except that CJ is an AGP with money. They are both heterosexual males who like wearing women's stuff and using their special caste status to invade women's spaces..

What is a fake transman?

Exactly. And no matter how much the OP says she disapproves of men in women's spaces, she does not appear to disapprove of Jenner and men like him.

I think you should ask MN to change the title, it's rather triggering on the FWR board 🤣

That caused me to snigger.

Oh, but I love the fan-girly heart in the title!!! 🎀🦋🦄👏

Yes, the little love heart really attracted me to the thread. So cute.

Caitlyn Jenner is very controversial but I respect them so much...I have no issues with transgender people as I think everyone should be whatever makes them happy but women need safe spaces.

I think what the OP is feeling is relief, relief that CJ seems to "get it". I understand he is right on sports?, for instance. And this contrasts sharply with so many other men who think they are women, and their allies. For so many, if you believe then you BELIEVE IT ALL. All the places, every last one. So yes, we hear a bit of "you know what, this ain't right" and think Wow, a hero!

But there is an elephant in the room. I can see it. OP must see it. CJ is a man who uses women's spaces. I do not have respect for a man who uses women's spaces no matter what opinions he has about other issues that might be important to me.

And CJ calling out a man for using women's spaces? Come on, people. There is a great big elephant here, and he is standing on my foot.

The interview that CJ gave saying that the hardest thing about being a woman was choosing what to wear every day was what peaked me back in 2015(!!)

One would hope CJ wouldn't say that kind of thing today, but I fear CJ probably still believes it, unfortunately.

CJ who has made a film of himself using women's toilets?

The OP seems to have disappeared.

I don't believe for one second they're going to the golf club because they don't want to play women. They continue to go for the same reason transwomen continue with their membership of the Freemasons and don't turn down inherited titles - to eat their cake and have it too.

Heartily dislike and distrust BJ - he is the original A G P and wants to have his cake and eat it.

@TeaParty4Me I also applaud Caitlyn Jenner for what she said on this video. She is someone who has a huge platform and her voice on this issue carries a lot of weight. A transgender woman calling out a pevert as a male invading women's spaces is a very powerful statement.

There are many things on which I don't agree with her but what she has said in this video, absolutely.

I shared another stance she's also taking on a different thread.

Caitlyn Jenner campaign re children and women's sports

I can overlook the things on which I disagree with her on a case by case basis specifically when I'm commenting on this positive stance (or the one in the other thread). If I hear some "scope creep" into something I disagree with, I'm happy to call it out.

I'm hopeful that she'll have an epiphany that she could back a campaign for third spaces e.g. single occupancy gender neutral toilets for anyone who does not feel comfortable going to the facilities that are commensurate with their sex. She could be a very powerful voice and role model in helping trans women feel confident as trans women. Confident to identify as a woman, while understanding that the biological reality of sex is different from gender identity. Every trans woman knows that they are biologically male, no matter what they say (I'm thinking here about India Willoughby), otherwise it's impossible to actually be a trans woman - being biologically male is the only fixed criterion. India can't make India's prostate disappear, or the impact of male puberty on India's physical frame simply with words. India knows the biological reality.

Re the golf club membership, it's right that she's playing with other men. That's her sex class. If she wants to be in a single sex club rather than mixed, that's her choice. I'm sure many women make the same choice and play in women's only golf clubs.

However, this does differ from her campaign to stop the medicalisation of children and protect women's sports. Anyone who Googles her will see that in the past she has talked about using women's toilets herself. The cynic in me is cautious that she may be making a move to isolate some trans women (herself included) from others so that some can push for access to women's spaces. However, that very much depends on what she says next rather than what she has said in the past. Many people start with one view and find that it changes over time e.g. people who have "peaked". One to watch, but overall, a very positive step forward.

If Caitlyn Jenner and others like Jenner say sensible things that support our position, that may be politically expedient for us, which is good.

However, I don't imagine that when "speaking out" these people are attempting to do anything other than cover their own arses.

Further, any man who calls himself any kind of woman, who purchased false breasts to look like us or uses our spaces is, IMO, part of the problem.

There's no such thing as good or bad, true or fake trans. There's just people who think women should have spaces which exclude men, and people who don't.

Caitlin Jenner killed someone through reckless driving and anybody else would have faced prison time for it, I don't recall the specifics but I remember it was absolutely Jenner's fault. However, Jenner got off with a slap on the wrist because of his wealth and celebrity. Jenner not only raided his daughters bed room for her underwear and masturbated in it, he tells a (slightly cleaned up version) of how his daughter became suspicious and caught him in the act and he tells this story ON STAGE as if it was funny to an applauding audience. Literally turning an obnoxious and perverse sexual fetish - seriously, his own daughter's underwear for sexual arousal purposes - into a funny anecdote that we're all supposed to think is legitimatised now. The guy is one of the major milestones in popularizing the whole TWAW delusion. And to the poster who blames others for offering him the woman of the year award, he's just as culpable for accepting it.

He doesn't get praise for saying something about men shouldn't sexually harass women in bathrooms. That's what you're supposed to think.

It’s not a fact, it’s your opinion. It’s a bit like telling a small child to ‘say sorry’. Ie compelled speech and therefore meaningless.
instead of ‘be kind’ we should ‘be honest’.

I agree that not all men or trans people are perverts but why is it good to call one man who pretends to be a woman a perverted man because he walked around with an erection (but anyone who notices is surely a genital obsessed bigot!) While another man who pretends to be a woman who finds it funny that he stole and wore his own daughters underwear for masturbation purposes should be respected?! What exactly is the obvious difference?

Creating acceptable men who pretend to women leaves it open to any man, that is the issue! Same with creating levels of acceptability depending on how posh the toilets are - unworkable as if you open the door for some men in some circumstances, it's open for all men in all circumstances. This is exactly what women have been saying for years.

I think Caitlyn Jenner should give the award back, and I honestly think Caitlyn will one day and recognize and say that they shouldn't have accepted it at the time.

It is all about ‘Jenner the politician’, isn’t it? That is the focus at the moment, I thought. Jenner is like other male people who get put up as ‘allies’ but who still use female single sex spaces or who have created a legacy that has harmed women and girls.

It is hypocritical for Jenner to be calling anyone a pervert considering their own forays into their daughter’s undies drawers.

Jenner is like Matt Walsh. Both are in this for their own motivations. They have their own voices and they are not afraid to use those voices. And they absolutely should be out there talking about the things that are important. Often, they get the cut through that women don’t achieve. This is due to them being male and feeling they don’t have anything to lose, their platforms are that they are uncancellable.

To me the thing is to not consider them anything more than people with universal viewpoints that will hopefully add their effort for the outcomes we are also campaigning for. Because in the future, we will be campaigning for different outcomes on other issues. Obviously, we can still appreciate their clear voices though.

I agree. And I think it will happen precisely at the point that Jenner realises he can get praise for doing so because the wind has changed.

Jenner is like Matt Walsh. Both are in this for their own motivations. They have their own voices and they are not afraid to use those voices. And they absolutely should be out there talking about the things that are important. Often, they get the cut through that women don’t achieve. This is due to them being male and feeling they don’t have anything to lose, their platforms are that they are uncancellable.

To me the thing is to not consider them anything more than people with universal viewpoints that will hopefully add their effort for the outcomes we are also campaigning for. Because in the future, we will be campaigning for different outcomes on other issues. Obviously, we can still appreciate their clear voices though.

Agreed. Matt Walsh is heard because he is male. Caitlyn Jenner is heard because Caitlyn is male and a transwoman. Both are important voices alongside women on certain specific issues.

I'm reminded of Scott Newgent's powerful press conference where she repeatedly referenced Matt Walsh "and yet you call him a bigot" when she was shaming the press for how they were reporting the medicalisation of children. She will be well aware that she and Matt Walsh hold very different views on lesbians and the "nuclear family". Yet she set that aside on the specific points that she was raising. It doesn't remove the fact that many people (myself included) find several of Matt Walsh's views bigoted. If she had used her time in front of the press to point out all the differences between her and Matt's views, the power of her speech would have been diminished. She wasn't endorsing Matt universally.

The parallel here would be for someone prominent to echo Caitlyn's words and say "Yet you call her a pervert" about Caitlyn. It doesn't take away from anything Caitlyn did with his daughter's clothes when he was Bruce. It just focuses on the issue in hand instead.

It's the ad hominem factor. Agreeing with Caitlyn or Matt on something specific doesn't mean agreeing with everything that Caitlyn or Matt says. Accepting where views are the same to help progress a specific point seems key to me. This is such a polarised mess that it may take some unlikely "collaborations" on specific issues, as well as other styles of approach.