Trans hockey player injures teenage girl in Scotland

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Oli London has retweeted a Reduxx article and added:

The incident occurred at Monarch Hockey Club in Scotland where the male, who was described as being built like a ‘rugby player’, reportedly tackled a girl to the ground leaving her with neck, hip and arm injuries.
The game had to be halted while the injured girl was removed from the field.

The official guidance from Scottish Hockey (SH), the sport’s governing body, explicitly states that participation on teams should be based entirely on gender self-identification.
“Hockey is a non-contact sport and SH sanctions men’s, mixed and women’s hockey competitions; as such there are no evidenced safety concerns for any trans male or female wishing to take part in sanctioned hockey competitions, in training or friendly/recreational hockey.

Have any of them ever played hockey?
It seemed to me while playing it as a child that it was full of aggressive contact with sticks and hard balls.

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-trans-identified-male-playing-in-womens-field-hockey-club-injured-female-player/

No need to get arsey sinner - i missed that in the article. Probably because I was so enraged by another fucking male in women’s sport

DH is very involved in hockey umpiring at an international level. They all know it’s bollocks that men are playing on women’s team but they’re bound by their respective international hockey associations - which have all been stonewalled

Eyeball, if they all know it’s bollocks, is there any chance of collective action by the referees?That would be so powerful.

Thank you

My DS plays hockey. He is a GK. Not sure he would view it as a non contact sport - there's a reason why he wears thousands of pounds worth of protective gear! And even if there is no actual bodily contact the simple fact of the matter is that males can hit the ball a lot harder than females of an equivalent standard. The men's game is very different to the women's.
As others have said, there are circumstances when male and female players can legitimately play together in hockey. Our club has a very popular "for fun" Summer League which has mixed sex and mixed age teams, plus a fairly successful more serious mixed team. But a key difference is that everyone who plays in those matches knows that they will be playing with players of the opposite sex (and sometimes with considerably older or younger people). They understand whether they are at risk from playing with physically stronger players or not and have consented to participate knowing those risks. (Equally the stronger players know that they could represent a risk to others on the field and tend to modify their play in my experience.) Plus of course the teams are generally fairly balanced to keep things as fair as possible. I think that is completely different to one team having a biological male playing who the other side has no choice about competing with. Mixed sex sport is not necessarily wrong but it needs to be transparent, balanced and optional. This situation described appears to be none of those things.

Any male who plays in a woman's team or in a woman's sport is an abusive arse - whether or not they identify as such. Any organisation which allows is, is sanctioning abuse. Any person who does not see this is also sanctioning abuse. There are a lot of people with blood on their hands.

The redux article says: “A free hit was awarded for the foul, but there were no personal penalties. The game restarted once the injured girl had left the pitch.” from a 'source' that recounted the event to Redux. I can't verify this but there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Hockey IS a rough, physical sport. I would argue that it is a contact sport even if it isn't recognised as one.
I played for 3 years in high school and there were several broken toes and at least one broken nose. Lots of bruised knees and scrapes.
I'm a bit of a titch so I was knocked flying on several occasions by bigger girls and the private school girls who played rough 😂

Sorry @Theeyeballsinthesky .. I see that you have already been pointed towards this - no arseyness intended.

We are a whole family of hockey players and various levels including three qualified umpires in our house. I think mixed hockey has a huge part to play in this sport and it is one of the reasons that I love it.. but it is a delicate and challenging balance. We don't live in the UK so hockey is a minor sport where we live and many of the smaller clubs have mixed teams at all levels, with some AMAZING female players, but we also lose female players who are challenged by the gender biases of some of the other players, not least my daughter who was a very strong hockey player but her own team did not respect her despite opposition players clearly respecting her skills, it was painful to watch. She now plays football at a high level instead. This is not the case for all teams as there are some very successful mixed teams, not least my son's U18 team who were national champions last year with 4 female players. There are no rules in their league determining the minimum number of females on the team and on some occasions they played and beat, all male teams.

We are all on the same side..

@WhiteFire" Dad and a bowl of warm Dettol"
This made me laugh. I remember sitting on the kitchen worktop while my dad dabbed at some pretty horrible cuts with cotton wool and the "warm Dettol" - I can still remember the stinging!!

THIS!!

It’s definitely not no contact. My son had to remain off contact sports after a minor op and his surgeon was very clear that hockey was considered contact.

Not even the men who , as you put it, “tend” to hit the ball harder? Ie use the additional power their ‘been through male puberty’ muscle strength and additional height has given them.

Whether or not it is a contact sport deflects us from the fact that it is a gender affected sport, ie testosterone, strength and lung capacity all play a part which cannot be reversed by hormone repression.

This affects not only the physically injured player but every other player in the league who came below this team with a male player, the woman who missed out on time on the pitch due to this player and those who silently leave the game or never join because they do not want to compete against male players.

From what I remember, that's a really good description.

Shame on the people who are putting girls at risk like this.

Talk of suing, insurance and of women refusing to play, relies on women taking a stand when in fact the national sports governing bodies of England, Wales and Scotland have declared on this topic but have not held the individual sporting bodies to account and have not insisted that each body comply with the guidance. Maybe this needs to be highlighted to the minister for sport.

or is it like rowing where trans women can be in women's teams, but the mixed teams have to be natal women.

Yes that was my first thought - probably fairness suddenly matters when it affects the men...

Theeyeballsinthesky · Yesterday 12:41

No need to get arsey sinner...

Sorry, I think I misread the intent of your post.