Hard to believe this isn’t parody

[Violetsrosesandchocolate]

It’s been a while since I last looked at comedy ‘feminism’ website Everyday Feminism so I thought I’d check it out.

Please enjoy this comic about Why Cis Women Spaces Are Transphobic featuring an angry and aggressive male shouting at a woman protecting her boundaries, while understanding that the angry male is the victim of this tale and the woman is the villain.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/cis-women-only-spaces-wrong/

It’s hard to believe that there are women out there who just unquestioningly swallow this misogynistic nonsense.

What’s awful about that path?

Seems an entirely sensible path to me. Crap cartoon. Makes the opposite point to the one it intends!

I thought the same. The man leaning over and shouting at the woman that he should be allowed in because he just wants to be heard is particularly apt.

Incidentally, it 100% isn’t transphobia as all the women were allowed in, including the ones who had transitioned.

That's hilarious.

I mean, it's exactly right. Women don't want shouty men in their faces.

And transmen are female so no contradiction there either.

it's not like the evil transphobes hate all transpeople ... how very weird. Could it be they are not transphobic at all? Brain explodes.

This cartoon is clearly showing why women sometimes want space away from male pattern aggression, such as the type demonstrated by the male bodied person screaming in the woman's face!

No one is born a woman of a man. You are born female or male and become a woman of a man respectively based on the sex you are at conception. Pretending sex doesn't exist isn't helpful to anyone except people who wish to live in delusion and force others to help them do so.

It's not just crap, it's really offensive. Complete gaslighting. "Cis women are heard more than anyone else in feminist spaces!" That's a complaint we're supposed to take seriously, is it?

I wonder if the author is an undercover mumsnetter and is secretly trying to peak people? No one could be this brainwashed otherwise, surely? Unless they are actually a ‘woman’ like the shouty male in the strip?

These toddlers never the know the history of why women-only spaces came to exist in the first place, or how they came to be legally protected.

"I want a place where I can be heard and supported by other women .... because [I claim] I am a woman!" That place is called "Planet Earth". All lives matter, bro.

And why shouldn’t ‘cis’ women be heard more often in feminist spaces? Who else should be heard? Angry, bullying men like our heroine?

"assumptions and misunderstandings about how power and privilege work".

They're soooooo close to understanding!

I can never quite work out whether they actually don't understand the argument or whether it's a deliberate misrepresentation of the argument in order to make our opposition seem trivial.

They really seem to live in a fantasy where they think we're all forcing our girls to wear pink and play with dolls and our boys to be tough and never cry!

Exactly. 'Cis women being heard too much in feminist spaces' isn't quite the gotcha they think it is, is it. At the very most it is an attempt to guilt trip women into being kind.

You wouldn't try and get into a trans group by claiming 'trans people had too much say in trans spaces'. Or similar with any other protected characteristic. So why this is allowed to stand never does make much sense.

The author's website is interesting... they have their own take...

Can't help feeling relieved that Everyday Feminism is clearly close to shutting down, though probably because its worldview is now the approved US viewpoint so what's the point any more.

They're absolutely hilarious. I'll never forget their feature about how to navigate Christmas as a person of a higher social class than your partner.

It was all about how sad your partner would feel visiting your family because of all the nice food and comfortable furniture. You were to 'check in' with them to debrief their feelings and offering non judgemental support.

More organic turkey, Sheila?

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH my FEEEEEEEEEELINGS

As a side observation they've ruined the word 'navigate' for the rest of us. It used to mean exciting Victorian expeditions, usually on a boat with interesting animals present. Now it means weeing your pants when faced with every form of ordinary human behaviour.

Have you a link to the interesting take page on the author’s website please?

And I know that different socialisation of male and female children isn’t the principle reason for excluding men from women’s spaces, but it’s certainly a talking point for women when explaining the various arguments why men can never understand how it feels to be a woman.

Whatever his inner feelings, the rest of the world treated him as the male person they saw. If the boy was a feminine boy, he might have been poorly treated because of it, but he was still raised as a boy, with all the different expectations society has for those born male, compared to those born female.

I came across the bizarre suggestion the other day that gender identity believers think that, because of his inner feelings, he would somehow be immune to being raised as a boy. I can’t get my head round that at all. If you experience privilege and better treatment, it doesn’t really matter if you feel confused about it, you still experienced it and benefited. Nor were you subjected to the (often negative) experience of being a girl.

Confused thinking from gender activists shouldn’t surprise me, but the lack of logic still jars.

That cartoon…literally it is completely accurate and right - yes, men are excluded and transmen could be. How they can call themselves everyday feminism and then think that makes an argument for feminist spaces needing to include transwoman I just cannot fathom!

And I am not huge on the argument about what matters is how you are raised - that’s a bit like there’s some inner essence created but my feminism is much more fundamental - XX is what counts.

Just to point out this is 8 years old...

A lot can change in 8 years:

https://twitter.com/rritchiearts/status/1636709447958511616

"Just because I'm a man now"

...erm...

It's very revealing.

"I want a place where I can be heard and supported by other women"

Shouty man demands access to women, who must act as his support humans regardless of whether or not they want him there.

Yes of course. Women listening to women? Outrageous. As Everyday Feminism states very clearly, we should be listening to men and obeying them.

Thanks for the tip-off, OP. I thought for a moment EF was a feminist site. Not after accessing the site and practically the first word so saw was the ludicrous “cis-women”!

I came across the bizarre suggestion the other day that gender identity believers think that, because of his inner feelings, he would somehow be immune to being raised as a boy. I can’t get my head around that at all. If you experience privilege and better treatment, it doesn’t matter if you feel confused about it , you have still experienced and benefitted. Nor were you subjected to the (often negative) experience of being a girl.

What did I just read? That is one of the most bizarre things I’ve come across thus far. How the heck can this person know what it is to be raised female?