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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hard to believe this isn’t parody

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Violetsrosesandchocolate · 12/05/2023 04:27

It’s been a while since I last looked at comedy ‘feminism’ website Everyday Feminism so I thought I’d check it out.

Please enjoy this comic about Why Cis Women Spaces Are Transphobic featuring an angry and aggressive male shouting at a woman protecting her boundaries, while understanding that the angry male is the victim of this tale and the woman is the villain.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/cis-women-only-spaces-wrong/

It’s hard to believe that there are women out there who just unquestioningly swallow this misogynistic nonsense.

'Women-Only' Spaces That Exclude Trans Women Lead Us Down This Awful Path - Everyday Feminism

What have you heard about excluding transgender women from so-called “women-only” spaces? People have different ideas about why cis-women-only spaces are necessary, but their ideas come from assumptions and misunderstandings about how power and privile...

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/cis-women-only-spaces-wrong/

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/05/2023 10:40

I'm confused. Were there any actual individuals who described themselves as women in that group?

namitynamechange · 12/05/2023 11:07

The final frame seems to suggest its trans men/non-binaries who should be feeling guilty for taking advantage of the fact that they ARE allowed to use the women's loos and not showing enough solidarity to the excluded trans woman. And overanalysing why they want to. Which ironically is the sort of thought process more commonly linked to female socialisation...

namitynamechange · 12/05/2023 11:12

Theres also this cartoon:
What Trans-Exclusionary Feminism Really Looks Like - Everyday Feminism

Conveniently explaining that ugly, harpy like radical feminists actually have a lot in common with ugly Christian conservative women in unattractive clothing. (Apart from the fact that they are ummm.... biological women)

But I would still rather have coffee with either of them than many TRAs.

What Trans-Exclusionary Feminism Really Looks Like - Everyday Feminism

There are people who identify as feminists who try to exclude trans women from any feminist discussion or space, claiming that "there's so much more to being a woman than wearing a dress or having some surgery." But that line of thinking reminds us of...

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/11/trans-exclusive-feminism-looks-like/

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/05/2023 11:19

The final frame seems to suggest its trans men/non-binaries who should be feeling guilty for taking advantage of the fact that they ARE allowed to use the women's loos and not showing enough solidarity to the excluded trans woman.

Oh is that what it was? I thought it was something about there not being any women anyway.

InColour · 12/05/2023 12:09

Tempted to bung those grifters a few quid. Not read the text, but from the 2 cartoons upthread I learned that:

People who share a protected characteristic can come in a variety of different presentations and hold different opinions

Women are capable of bonding with other women even when all of their opinions don't align.

Men can seek to erode women's boundaries.

Men can be entitled and aggressive when they don't get what they want.

Women are socialised to enable men.

Trans identities don't disrupt prior socialisation or stop people behaving in ways typical to their sex.

TRAs have no coherent arguments so when they're not force-teaming with genuine rights movements, they resort to methods beloved by the patriarchy such as public shaming of women.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 12/05/2023 12:45

User they specialise in cartoons that present a 'gotcha' that really isn't the gotcha that they think it is.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 12/05/2023 12:45

I see. Not User

drhf · 12/05/2023 12:47

I would post the Venn diagram, but it feels redundant. Using superficial similarities to claim that two politically opposed positions are actually identical is this decade’s Godwin’s Law.

Call it Mumsnet’s Law: as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of attributing an irrelevant or widely held opinion to a person with right-wing views (real or purported) and describing anyone who shares that opinion as a fascist approaches 100%.

Or perhaps we should call it the Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle-of-the-Road?

PermanentTemporary · 12/05/2023 13:18

I like the first cartoonist RR. I particularly like that they're a female person who identifies as a man, but who has stopped taking testosterone and decided against surgery long ago. Testosterone gave them hair loss, a high sex drive and an inability to orgasm, which sounds pretty crap. They enjoy cartooning, astrology and tarot, no doubt among other things.

I hope at some point in the future they will find their way back to saying that they're a woman, without changing a single other thing about themselves. Tbh it's what I feel about all the young women I know that have found themselves squeezing down the restrictive gender alley.

Hagosaurus · 12/05/2023 13:28

Elsewhere on the site, the writer urges parents not to tell their daughters that they ‘have to be pretty’. Err, who does that??!

nilsmousehammer · 12/05/2023 13:36

GreenWhiteViolet · 12/05/2023 10:11

It's very revealing.

"I want a place where I can be heard and supported by other women"

Shouty man demands access to women, who must act as his support humans regardless of whether or not they want him there.

This. ^^

"I wish to use the support humans!"

Violetsrosesandchocolate · 12/05/2023 13:44

Imagine actually using EF’s bonkers articles as a guide to life. I expect many of its writers do. What a miserable, joyless existence. Permanently offended and angry at the world for not living by your particular bizarre twisted moral code, determined to educate everyone you meet so they think exactly the same things as you.

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BewareTheBeardedDragon · 12/05/2023 14:15

Hagosaurus · 12/05/2023 13:28

Elsewhere on the site, the writer urges parents not to tell their daughters that they ‘have to be pretty’. Err, who does that??!

Well dds dad (my ex) constantly tells her she is beautiful - it is the only thing he ever compliments about her. Personally I feel this is sending her the message that it is the defining and only important part of herself. But he is a misogynistic prick so.

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