Oxford Students Union servers ties with Oxford Union

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For inviting 'notorious transphobe' Kathleen Stock to speak.

They are unable to debate her as their ideas are based on nothing so all they can do is throw their toys our of the pram. Utter imbeciles.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e027959a-ee80-11ed-87b0-716b9284a2b0?shareToken=1591551c2ac2d9a79c7ee4b39589f116

If you're gonna lose your friends over attending her talk, there's a simple solution...get better friends.

Seriously, better to get a backbone early in life, then drift aimlessly as a snowflake.

These people aren't worth knowing.

So, these lesbians would rather not stick up for themselves? Maybe they need to really practice what they believe, not fit into what others seem correct for them.

From the OSU LGBTQ+ handbook:

Lesbians who do not align with the cultural gender norms associated with being a lesbian, that is being a cis woman who is attracted to other cis women, are at risk of an increased risk of discrimination by transphobes called terfs (trans exclusionary radical feminists) who feel that their definition of lesbian is the only valid one.

For fucking fucks sake. Women can't be allowed to have anything, can we? They're not fucking 'cultural gender norms' that's the sexuality, that's literally what it is! It's like saying members of the under 9s football team don't need to be under 9, or play football, it's fucking ridiculous!

She does have a backbone. She is very much not a “snowflake” I find that comment really hurtful actually, you have no idea what my child has been through.
She says that this ideology is so entrenched in Oxford that she would have no friends at all. She thinks that she would be shunned and thought of as equivalent to a racist, so she doesn’t ever bring it up in conversation. Only one of her friends has mentioned this talk and called it transphobic, she doesn’t hang out with people who are campaigning against KS, but trans stuff is pretty prominent generally.

Bollocks - if you both think that OU in 2023 is only "posh kids playing at having ideas" then neither of you know anything about it and are just repeating popular soundbites

I love how you've put this!
You'll appreciate this if you've not seen it (or read Jonathan Haidt- though I expect you might have), MissLawls. He explains all this so beautifully And good Q&A
At a Canadian Uni interestingly.

Brilliant summary!✨

Apologies for my insensitivity. Hopefully she finds a resolution to this. I stick to my point that any friends who isolate her for this are not worth knowing.

Beautifully put ❤️

Thank you @DameMaud and @Margrethe much appreciated xx

Ugh. Dd1's college were trying to point her in the direction of Oxford,but she said that she thought that 'it wasn't her sort of place' and didn't apply. Reading this nonsense reinforces that she was spot on.

The OU has always gone out of its way to invite offensive and far-right speakers: David Irving, Nick Griffin, Marine Le Pen... And many speakers who feminists might not think are the best choice: OJ Simpson, George Galloway, Julian Assange. There have been protests against many of the speakers they invite, and JCR motions, and some very legitimate arguments that some of the genuinely far-right speakers who have been invited do tend to bring supporters along who make the city centre less safe for certain groups of students (not from hearing words, but from physical violence).

And yet, the left-wing academic lesbian is the one who prompts this response from OUSU?

Sure, I mean Kathleen Stock is the most dangerous...and the biggest risk.

How many of us actually talk to our students about free speech? I have just started a separate thread on this. I think we as parents have to take some responisbility for the attitudes of the students that are arriving at university. I know a lot of what one says to teenagers is in one ear and out the other but how many of us explicitly talk about free speech and its importance? Or how we benefited from free speech at university?

Most of us would not send our kinds out into the world without understanding the importance of please and thank you. Learning to hear the other person out is just as important.

Kids not kinds...

Which are the colleges that have complained?

Just answered my own question and am annoyed but not surprised to find that my DC’s college is one of those protesting against KS. 😤

https://cherwell.org/2023/05/08/teddy-hall-latest-oxford-college-to-condemn-kathleen-stock/

This is so preposterous. But even worse, it's so sad. A small number of open minded and free speech supporting students cowed into silence, and the majority just ill equipped for the modern world.

Unless of course that modern world is the insulated silos of law, education, medicine, social policy, media and politics, where such heads-in-the-sand attitudes are celebrated and cultivated further.

These will be the policy makers of the future. Where are the next generation of Kath Stock, JKR, Joanna Cherry, Helen Joyce, Julie Bindel, Hadley Freeman, Victoria Smith, Posie Parker etc coming from?

Obviously, not the current Gen Z at Oxford or tbh any university.

I don’t see how the OU would be able to disinvite Kathleen Stock in any case - just look at the shitshows that were the Jo Phoenix and Rosa Freedman disinvitations and what followed.

I agree with this. So depressing.

Inamuddle36 How do your dc feel about this ?

Love Kathleen. She's obviously had it up to here with these idiotic little narcissists who identify as university students.

How does she know that all the others are not also hiding their true feelings? In a situation where anyone who breaks ranks is abused then no-one will break ranks unless someone else does. I'd go to the debate. No-one actually needs to know, surely, unless she says she is going? But I suppose that there be demonstrators on the door - difficult. As if being a student at Oxford wasn't difficult enough - and whatever I say, it is bloody difficult to go against the stream of what everyone else says they believe. I remember a friend of mine who would not vote for a demonstration and was called a coward. Looking back, she was braver than me. It's clear your daughter has your support whatever she does, which is wonderful.

will be demonstrators - typo because of rewrite.

Isn't it generally said that the more working class you get, the less likely they are to buy into a man can be a woman.

Because it's ivory tower thinking.

Makes sense then that the 'pinnacle' of Universities should have such problems with gender critical (reality based) thinking.