Oxford Students Union servers ties with Oxford Union

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For inviting 'notorious transphobe' Kathleen Stock to speak.

They are unable to debate her as their ideas are based on nothing so all they can do is throw their toys our of the pram. Utter imbeciles.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e027959a-ee80-11ed-87b0-716b9284a2b0?shareToken=1591551c2ac2d9a79c7ee4b39589f116

Slasitery - ou/ousu/jcr* definitions😆 *how true

I don't use Amazon. Is Doc Stocks book on any other e reader?

Quite scary to think that these are our brightest and the best. It's not just the ridiculous over-the-top response and the desire to cancel someone simply because they have a different opinion. I mean, that's bad enough, obviously. It's that they're doing it in the service of such an idiotic cause. Transgender ideology is profoundly stupid. Humans can't change sex. Everyone knows this. The fact that Oxford students are having conniptions at the fact that someone has dared to say it out loud really makes me despair for the future of our country.

99p on Kobo at the moment.

Offering young people at work and college safe spaces and protection from being triggered does them a massive disservice. People need to develop resistance. Life isn’t safe! Heartache and pain are part of human experience. To feel hurt is to feel alive! To recover divine!

And this is after Simon Fanshawe was protested at Cambridge last week. He spoke along with Jacqui Gavin, who is trans, who was also protested. Because Gavin is the wrong type of trans ! So even a trans person was being protested for having a differing opinion about what it is to be trans.

You cannot make it up.

Simon asked a young woman who was protesting what they were protesting about and the young woman didn’t recognize him . And when Simon introduced himself and Gavin the protestor could say what either of them had done or said that was transphobic.

To me I saw this absolute belief that they are right when I was at the reformers tree in February. Young people yelling and chanting mantras but ask them what women had said or done and they spoke complete bollocks that they honestly believe that we in front of them are supposed to believe.

And when you try to point this out, they just yell over the top. They honestly don’t want to know the truth. They just want to be part of what they think is righteous action.

And when you try to point this out, they just yell over the top. They honestly don’t want to know the truth. They just want to be part of what they think is righteous action.

I think Oxford and Cambridge need to get a fucking grip. They should tell these idiotic students that if they can't cope with other people's ideas they should go and find a different university, or ideally go home until they're intellectually and emotionally mature enough to attend university. It doesn't do either university's reputation any good to have these dimwits representing them.

The Oxford Students’ Union is an odd bird though. Unlike most student unions, it doesn’t have a default position as the student representative body. That is performed by the junior and middle common rooms in each college. They tend to make grandiose statements to the press as if they represented the undergraduates as a whole, which is completely incorrect, there don’t seem to be college by college representatives or consultation. I don’t think any of the ‘officers’ are in fact undergraduates, unlike the officers of the JCR (and MCR for graduate students).

And when you try to point this out, they just yell over the top. They honestly don’t want to know the truth. They just want to be part of what they think is righteous action.

They enjoy the fight. That's what they're there for. Bit like a football crowd. It's the exhilaration of feeling part of something. They believe themselves to be The Good Guys hence anyone who disagrees with them or questions that they are The Good Guys is by definition one of The Bad Guys and so deserves to be screamed at.

Get them alone, in a quiet, calm, place and ask them gently what they believe and why and you won't get an answer. Because belief is not the point and to believe it is is to miss the point by miles. "What you rebelling against?"

"What you got!?"

I think it works like this, although this horrifying example relates to race rather than sex and gender

Here's a snippet:

"During our discussion of incarceration [the author was the professor], an Asian-American student cited federal inmate demographics: About 60 percent of those incarcerated are white. The black students said they were harmed. They had learned, in one of their workshops, that objective facts are a tool of white supremacy. Outside of the seminar, I was told, the black students had to devote a great deal of time to making right the harm that was inflicted on them by hearing prison statistics that were not about blacks. A few days later, the Asian-American student was expelled from the program."

https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-professor-trapped-in-anti-racist-hell

Thanks!

You might be a shit hot hotshot at school to get into Oxford, but you know absolutely nothing about life, and show that you want to learn nothing about life.

How about having Stock talk, you attend, and then grill her views. See if you can win the argument, or at least add food for thought.

How stupid of me. But then again, I'm not a shit hot hotshot, so what do I know?

Oops thanks @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn

You might be a shit hot hotshot at school to get into Oxford, but you know absolutely nothing about life, and show that you want to learn nothing about life.

I'd have thought that going to college was partly about learning how to Do Life? Meet different people from different walks of life. Have new experiences. Experiment. Have fun. I guess it's not about that any longer? Instead it's about staying safe and worrying like hell the whole time that someone might say something that upsets you? Well good luck with when you leave college!

They should at least set out what the transphobia is so that we understand what one of the most prestigious universities in the world is opposing free speech in favour of.

Is it because Doc Stock is the wrong sort of lesbian?

From the OSU LGBTQ+ handbook:

Lesbians who do not align with the cultural gender norms associated with being a lesbian, that is being a cis woman who is attracted to other cis women, are at risk of an increased risk of discrimination by transphobes called terfs (trans exclusionary radical feminists) who feel that their definition of lesbian is the only valid one.

So apparently anyone can identify as being a lesbian.

https://www.oxfordsu.org/resourcehandler/82476ef1-b784-4310-9135-97fb38579a3f/

My daughter is a student, I am not sure if her college is one of the four. She is too scared to go and see Kathleen Stock speak, because she thinks she will lose her friends and become an outcast. I am so angry about this, that the rhetoric is of transactivists being marginalised, when people like my daughter dare not voice their opinions at all.

Julie Bindel has a good article in the Telegraph as well:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/the-university-campus-is-crushing-feminism/

Well, then they graduate and join the type of company that believes it's ok to trash the likes of Maya Forstater, and now your whole work and social circle is triggered by anything hinting a GC worldview.

💖this.

My daughter is a student, I am not sure if her college is one of the four. She is too scared to go and see Kathleen Stock speak, because she thinks she will lose her friends and become an outcast. I am so angry about this, that the rhetoric is of transactivists being marginalised, when people like my daughter dare not voice their opinions at all.

That's incredibly sad. I have also heard that some young lesbians dare not say they are only attracted to other women because their own friends will ghost them. So they are going along with accepting transwomen into their dating pool because they feel they have no choice! Maybe they'd be better off identifying as straight! Least then transwomen who demand they sleep with them would leave them alone!?

Absolutely agree. I went to a lot of OU debates and speeches but Kermit the Frog was the highlight.

Thank you @MsFunnyOrchid

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23512947.oxford-students-offered-welfare-resources-kathleen-stock-talk/

I read an autobiography recently in which the author describes his experience at a 1970s grammar school, where the teachers were very keen on debating and discussing controversial issues. Someone quite prominent in the National Front was invited to speak and proceeded to lecture the students on why black people should be treated differently- "they're genetically different- it's why they can't swim." A black student put his hand up and pointed out that he was Captain of the school swimming team. The speaker got laughed off stage. Surely this is more effective than banning a speaker?

Well that's the whole point isn't it.

To debate the issue in sunlight and expose untruths, bias and lack of evidence.

The reason why #nodebate isn't anything to do with transphobia, is all about an intellectual fear of being exposed when subjected to robust questioning.

In short, they don't want to be laughed off the stage, so the answer is not only to refuse to participate themselves, but prevent any ideological challenge being made.

Standing on a platform and saying TWAW and TRAHR simply doesn't cut it and fundamentally they KNOW that.