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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Andrea Long Chu has been awarded a Pulitzer Prize

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NotBadConsidering · 10/05/2023 09:44

https://twitter.com/PulitzerPrizes/status/1655653113175457792?s=20

https://twitter.com/PulitzerPrizes/status/1655653113175457792?s=20

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 12/05/2023 12:16

landOFconfusion · 12/05/2023 12:13

Pulitzer Prizes aren’t awarded in separate categories to separate sexes.

At moments like this you can observe the mask slip and the animus emerge.

The leak of misogyny from your own post?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2023 12:39

I haven’t read the full thread but in case this has not been posted already this article by Louise Perry about A LC is interesting.

Clearly Andrea Long Chu is an excellent writer who may well deserve the prize on the basis of their talent if only they are not added to female prize winner statistics.

As it happens they are so open and confessional that a great deal is exposed that TRAs might prefer tp keep hidden.

It also seems clear that they know they are not actually a woman, just someone in a state of longing to be what they imagine a woman is.

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/sissy-porn-and-trans-dirty-laundry/

Review: Females by Andrea Long Chu | Louise Perry | The Critic

When Valerie Solanas shot Andy Warhol on 3 June 1968, her publisher worried he might be blamed for producing SCUM Manifesto, Solanas’s luridly violent treatise that called on women to “overthrow the…

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/sissy-porn-and-trans-dirty-laundry/

landOFconfusion · 12/05/2023 12:51

RoseslnTheHospital · 12/05/2023 12:14

"At moments like this you can observe the mask slip and the animus emerge."

Perhaps you could expand on what you feel the animus relates to?

A writer has just been recognised with a prize that doesn’t have separate categories for sex.

The animus on this forum emerges even when there is no argument. All it requires is a transgender person to exist.

RoseslnTheHospital · 12/05/2023 12:54

Ah, so the posts about this person are objecting to their entire existence? Can you give an example of one of those?

From what I can see, the objection is to recognising someone who has previously written appallingly misogynistic things about the female experience whilst not being female. There's a discussion to be had there I think about separating the art from the artist and so on.

Of course, plenty of people posting in fact congratulated the writer for winning this prize. 🤷🏼‍♀️

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2023 13:07

landOFconfusion · Today 12:51
A writer has just been recognised with a prize that doesn’t have separate categories for sex.

The prize has no categories for sex. Society, however, may later categorise it as a women’s prize in statistics.

The animus on this forum emerges even when there is no argument
All it requires is a transgender person to exist.

It is you who have no argument. What hyperbolic rubbish.

Quote after quote from what this transwoman has written, show that the objections on this thread are to their utterly obscene and shocking interpretations of women - not to their being transgender per se.

Inamuddle36 · 12/05/2023 13:42

I had never heard of this person. Had to Search and am appalled. Why is attention given to individuals who clearly are unstable?
https://www.andrealongchu.com/

Andrea Long Chu

Writer, designer, doctoral candidate, and sad trans girl in Brooklyn. Wrote a piece called "On Liking Women" for n+1. My middle name is really Long.

https://www.andrealongchu.com/

Datun · 12/05/2023 13:50

landOFconfusion · 12/05/2023 12:13

Pulitzer Prizes aren’t awarded in separate categories to separate sexes.

At moments like this you can observe the mask slip and the animus emerge.

I'd like to think this is just a comprehension failure, but I actually believe it's an example of the duplicity.

Complaining about what a misogynistic toss pot says isn't complaining about their existence.

Datun · 12/05/2023 13:54

landOFconfusion

And one more thing, if you think the, er, animus is being hidden behind a mask, again, you're not really reading it properly.

You probably don't realise this, but women in this day and age are freely at liberty to express hostility towards nasty, misogynistic individuals.

Amazing, eh?

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2023 14:23

Inamuddle36 · Today 13:42
I had never heard of this person. Had to Search and am appalled. Why is attention given to individuals who clearly are unstable?

From the little I know they are very eloquent and able to express abstract concepts clearly, and in an original way even if their ideas are horrible. It is a certain public’s fault if they are taking them up uncritically.

From what I read in the Louise Perry article in The Critic, though, their confessions and honesty in their book Females clearly shows them as a person with a fetish fertilised by sissy porn, (not allowed to be mentioned on mumsnet), also as someone who clearly realises they will never be a woman and that TW are not W.

Has Andrea Long Chu not hoisted TRA arguments with their own petard? Apparently some TRAs are angry, which may be a good sign.

Inamuddle36 · 12/05/2023 16:20

Thank you. I am now searching for the Louise Perry essay…. Clearly, I need to educate myself

nepeta · 12/05/2023 16:59

landOFconfusion · 12/05/2023 12:13

Pulitzer Prizes aren’t awarded in separate categories to separate sexes.

At moments like this you can observe the mask slip and the animus emerge.

The mask that is slipping here is the societal one which pretended that misogyny isn't part and parcel of some types of trans activism and isn't an obvious consequence of any ideological framework which prioritises retrogressive gender roles and sexist stereotypes about femininity over biological sex and stamps that as social justice and fairness.

Long Chu argues that there is such a thing as universal femaleness which everyone can reach by relinquishing all agency but doesn't seem to be interested in the question whether some opposite concept of universal maleness might be attainable by those lowly actually female people.

So the appropriation of what being 'female' means is not matched by a similar appropriation of what 'male' means. Only the female world is to be colonised.

And Long Chu tells us that the essence of being female consists of "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes."

This is extremely unhelpful for feminism. Rather, it is its exact opposite; an acceptance of eternal subjugation and dehumanisation and commercialisation of the female body and the female 'lived experiences.'

Sevenbells · 12/05/2023 17:39

All it requires is a transgender person to exist.

Always with the drama.

Actually, what I object to is yet another grifter who writes such crass, misogynistic drivel being given a Pulitzer.

It's absurd and tokenistic, it makes the award meaningless.

The writing is not very good.

Existing is not the issue. The problem for me is the inauthentic lauding of bad writing to tick a box.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/05/2023 17:43

Inamuddle36 · Today 16:20
Thank you. I am now searching for the Louise Perry essay…. Clearly, I need to educate myself

Well not about a lot of what they say about women being abhorrent. Here it is in case you did not find it.

Review: Females by Andrea Long Chu | Louise Perry | The Critic
thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/sissy-porn-and-trans-dirty-laundry/

Sevenbells · 12/05/2023 17:46

The Louise Perry review is absolutely brilliant.

piedbeauty · 12/05/2023 19:17

Ffs. He says 'the asshole, a kind of universal vagina through which femaleness can always be accessed.'

No, weirdo, the vagina is nothing like an asshole.

GuevarasBeret · 13/05/2023 07:09

FrancescaContini · 12/05/2023 10:07

“Racist fetishism?” 😵 Is this a thing in academic circles? That as long as you express your racism in the most pseudo intellectual way possible, you could even win a prize? That you can, moreover, entitle your work “I am a racist”? Because I say I have a “fetish”, it becomes acceptable?

Is everything ok if I label it a “fetish”? I can’t help myself from raping or murdering because I have a “fetish”?

Dumbfounded.

I don’t think we’re actually so far away from that. It’s only a short step from the bizarre Rough Sex Defence.

It isn’t that long ago that we knew that people who acted in ways propelled by their sexual urges are much much more dangerous than those acting with other motives. Sentencing has always reflected that.

FrancescaContini · 13/05/2023 09:39

Oh yes. “Rough sex” defence. I didn’t mean to strangle her, Your Honour - we were just having Rough Sex.

🤬

VitaminX · 13/05/2023 10:18

It's amazing how many things that would normally be criticised become absolutely fine if a man gets a boner from it. Violence, racism, cruelty, you name it - it's not OK to enjoy those things in a non-sexual way, but if they also turn you on apparently that's very understandable and the only important thing is 'consent'.

Genesis1v27 · 13/05/2023 18:02

ALC's comparative honesty in examining ALC's thoughts and situation is useful in understanding our current moment in my opinion. ALC's writing also often illustrates an unbridgeable gulf between the sexes.

This ALC piece from a few years ago, published prior to ALC's surgery, is sad and strange but worth a read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.html

I see also from this piece, by psychologist Joseph Burgo on a key condition, that Wesley Yang will be writing a post on ALC soon.

NicCageisnotNickCave · 14/05/2023 12:51

I see also from this piece, by psychologist Joseph Burgo on a key condition, that Wesley Yang will be writing a post on ALC soon.

Interesting.

Contrapoints made a video about Autogynephila that was very strawmanny and concluded with (paraphrasing) ‘AGP is probably real but who cares anyway?’

Contrapoints made another video entitled ‘Shame’ that was supposedly about ‘compulsive heterosexuality’ (aka ‘comp het’) and coming out as a ‘lesbian’ but seemed to me to really be a video essay about AGP.

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