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Mark Drakeford, First Minister Wales: women's concerns a 'shrill dogwhistle'

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Pluvia · 09/05/2023 18:53

This is the man who went to Swansea Pride the other week and talked solely about trans, ignoring the LGB completely.

Today he accused a member of the Senedd voicing concerns brought to him by her constituents of being shrill and using a dogwhistle.

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

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justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:42

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

Starmer sees Wales as a social experiment he greatly admires and encourages. Gordon brown has been entangled in Welsh labour politics in the past now the SNP has been hammered and Rishi said no more power will be devolved to Wales (he smells a rat)

FrancescaContini · 09/05/2023 22:46

“Shrill” = “shut up, woman”

What a very nasty man.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/05/2023 23:31

That was very nasty indeed.

The person with the dog whistle was the person who called a woman “shrill” to shut her up.

I hope she is ok. She is has been brave.

Toseland · 10/05/2023 00:27

Her mike was muted, she tried to respond but we couldn't hear her! Absolutely disgusting.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/05/2023 00:29

The Russell-Moyle of Wales.

Hepwo · 10/05/2023 00:45

justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:33

Our health board the auditors discovered have mislaid £124 million in twelve months. The Welsh government announced last week that the matter was closed. WTF.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

Plaid who snuggle up to labour have said this today. See above

He said a "purchase order was produced on 31 March 2022 with incorrect details, which were intentionally designed so that it would not be sent to the company".

Gosh!

That's going to require a large rug to sweep it under!

Merida46 · 10/05/2023 01:04

Wales has been transwashed for over ten years now. StonewallUK has its tentacles buried deep in the brain cell of Welsh Labour. Their RSE gender woowoo lessons are arranged by the Proud Trust, producers of the vile “dice game”

The Proud Trust – RSE Review | Safe RSE lessons for all children

The six-sided dice has a word on each side, Vulva (including vagina), Penis, Anus, Mouth, Hands/Fingers and Object.

https://rsereview.org/resources/the-proud-trust/

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2023 01:38

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/05/2023 22:24

I’m ashamed to say I don’t really understand ‘dog whistle’.

Essentially using coded or <nudge> words to gain support for your position without being overtly prejudiced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogwhistlee_(politics)

For example, describing women as 'shrill' hence the irony.

110APiccadilly · 10/05/2023 06:21

Toseland · 10/05/2023 00:27

Her mike was muted, she tried to respond but we couldn't hear her! Absolutely disgusting.

One of the appalling things about the way the Senedd is run is the frequent partisanship of the Llywydd (equivalent of the Speaker). There was, some years ago, a very telling conversation/ interview she had with Bercow, who was Speaker at the time, where she told him how good it was she could switch the mikes off, and he said he wished he could.

The whole setup of the Senedd is supposed to encourage consensus (as opposed to the Westminster system, which is seen to encourage antagonistic debate). What this actually means is that voices of reasonable challenge get silenced.

MommaBear1 · 10/05/2023 07:15

Wow, a question is raised on our ( female constituents) behalf, and we dont even merit an answer. Saving this transcript to share when hes begging for our votes again!!!

SunnyEgg · 10/05/2023 07:17

There can be no mistaking how Labour view women and this issue

Badgeringabout · 10/05/2023 07:24

RealityFan · 09/05/2023 20:51

MNers have been debating the virtues of voting Labour. Or LD, Green. Or indeed any party to try and correct the reckless course the Tories have misdirected us on for nigh on 13 years, 14 by the time of the GE.

Will Starmer bring in Self ID? Will he capitulate to the TRAs amongst his activists, MPs and front bench? Will he stand firm in the kind of gender critical way we'd all love, or just wilt?

Well, with the SNP and Welsh Labour, and in a smaller way, the Greens in Brighton, having been in their own ascendancies for well over a decade, nearly two, we don't have to look very far to see where a Starmer Labour govt will take us.

Indeed with Starmer's quote in the Guardian that woke issues are beneath his notice, we have more evidence that there isn't gonna be a happy ending here.

If I didn't despise trans politics so much, I'd admire the tenacity and success of their campaign. Via mendacious tactics, the likes of Dentons and Stonewall have literally implanted the irreversible and irresistible direction of travel within centrist/Leftist political parties in the West, and more and more Rightist ones too.

So that today, the leader of a major party can bald faced say to another politician, on being questioned in their parliament, that women's and kid's concerns are a dog whistle. In other words that this woman is the 2023 equivalent of an NF and BNP racist from the 70s and 80s, and that highlighting concerns on trans access to women's prisons, sports, and safe spaces, is the equivalent of Tommy Robinson using the N-word.

And whatever polling they're doing, it's showing that Drakeford and Starmer and the like are so confident of ultimate electoral victory that they can both trample on women's and girls' genuine concerns.

If I had any lingering doubts about voting Labour ever, they're put to bed.

What is it they say? If a person tells you who they are (over and over again), believe them.

THIS! A million times over. I cannot believe that any women will vote for Labour in the next GE but I know that they will in the hope that they will change when they are in power. Yes - they will get even worse with their blatant woman hating. Wales is a perfect example.
Sickening.

Badgeringabout · 10/05/2023 07:27

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

Yes. Women need to wake up because this is where we are going if Labour get in.

Veryfishy · 10/05/2023 07:34

I live in wales @Pluvia and completely agree
My inlaws live in Llanelli , and say a donkey would get elected if he turned up wearing a red rosette
We live in a Plaid constituency ( they’re equally as bad )

Having watched that clip on Twitter ( where he shows himself up completely as an utter misogynist twat ) it’s unbelievable that no one challenged him

I really wish he’d do a Sturgeon flounce and bugger off

FrancescaContini · 10/05/2023 07:35

Toseland · 10/05/2023 00:27

Her mike was muted, she tried to respond but we couldn't hear her! Absolutely disgusting.

Her mic was muted? But nobody else’s was - you can hear people muttering and agreeing with that man.

She raised valid concerns, was effectively told to shut up and was then not allowed/able to respond. The poor woman.

WickedSerious · 10/05/2023 08:03

He can stick his dog whistle up his smug,woman hating arse.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/05/2023 08:21

Why is he so angry?

Ohnohedident · 10/05/2023 08:27

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/05/2023 08:21

Why is he so angry?

Tbf he has to spend every waking minute in the company of Mark Drakeford.

That's enough to make anyone lose the plot.

God I hope women lose this election for Labour, in Wales, and everywhere else too.

RoyalCorgi · 10/05/2023 08:34

ScrollingLeaves · 09/05/2023 23:31

That was very nasty indeed.

The person with the dog whistle was the person who called a woman “shrill” to shut her up.

I hope she is ok. She is has been brave.

She is really brave. She is the only member of the Welsh Assembly, as far as I'm aware, to speak out about how this ideology threatens women, and she has done so repeatedly. That takes immense courage. My only hope is that when this whole disastrous experiment is over the bravery of people like Laura Ann Jones will be remembered in the history books.

thefactsarefriendly · 10/05/2023 08:40

FrancescaContini · 10/05/2023 07:35

Her mic was muted? But nobody else’s was - you can hear people muttering and agreeing with that man.

She raised valid concerns, was effectively told to shut up and was then not allowed/able to respond. The poor woman.

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This is how we know we live in a tyranny.

fromorbit · 10/05/2023 08:55

No surprises here. Fact is I think Drakeford is taking out his frustrations on being humiliated by women protesting in the one of holiest spots in Wales on Laura.
https://nation.cymru/news/drakeford-speech-marred-by-silent-protest-over-womens-safety/

The question is what do we DO about it? How do we stop a party as powerful as Welsh Labour.

Well I think the solution is staring us in the face. We follow the Scottish playbook. The SNP looked all powerful, but they were not.

The SNP fell apart because of INTERNAL resistance to their madness from members. Without Cherry, Forbes and others inside the SNP the crisis would have been smaller.

That was combined with effective political attacks from OUTSIDE from women's groups and other political parties.

So we need a multiple front approach. Labour Women's Declaration already has a strong contingent in Wales they need reinforcement. Start derailing this stuff more at the CLP level. Also Drakeford is going to be standing down in the next year or so. There will be a leadership election. Perfect chance to get a pro-woman approach pushed. So that is one option. Joining Labour to cause trouble might seem counterproductive. However YOU can't argue with the results women got in Scotland.

There is also a NEW OPTION.

Just announced Adam Price is standing down from Plaid at the moment because of the sex harassment claims inside the party.
https://nation.cymru/news/adam-price-to-quit-as-plaid-cymru-leader/

What are the the prospects of GCs developing a strong voice inside Plaid again? Is the scandal enough to get women's voices bigger again. Price was strongly connected to to TRA faction in Plaid. Should we be joining to try to push in pro woman direction? Get publicity. Cause trouble in the leadership election.

Anyone got any insight on this?

Alongside this we already have a brilliant set of activists attacking the genderist agender from outside in Wales. So that is amazing. The issue is they just can't break through. Helping them is great. However I can't see what else they can try. Welsh Labour are just not reasonable - they won't listen to protests or to well written arguments.

They only respect political power. We need a political voice from the left. Either more resistance inside Labour or taking over Plaid. Preferably both!

Because lets face it the Welsh Tories are NEVER going to take down Welsh Labour on anything by themselves. Anyone who lives in Wales knows that is a pipe dream.

Drakeford speech marred by silent protest over women’s safety

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https://nation.cymru/news/drakeford-speech-marred-by-silent-protest-over-womens-safety

oddandelsewhere · 10/05/2023 08:57

Everyone should remember that Drakeford's SON (presumably raised with his values) was imprisoned for eight years for a sustained rape. He has also previously committed a child sex offence.

RoyalCorgi · 10/05/2023 09:04

oddandelsewhere · 10/05/2023 08:57

Everyone should remember that Drakeford's SON (presumably raised with his values) was imprisoned for eight years for a sustained rape. He has also previously committed a child sex offence.

Much as I dislike Drakeford, I think this is unfair. He is Drakeford's adopted son, who I think had already been through trauma by the time Drakeford and his wife adopted him. You can't lay everything at the blame of the parents, at least not in this case.

SunnyEgg · 10/05/2023 09:06

RoyalCorgi · 10/05/2023 09:04

Much as I dislike Drakeford, I think this is unfair. He is Drakeford's adopted son, who I think had already been through trauma by the time Drakeford and his wife adopted him. You can't lay everything at the blame of the parents, at least not in this case.

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I agree with this

I’m so angry about misogynistic Drakeford but would prefer to not muddy the waters with children of (any politician really)

littlbrowndog · 10/05/2023 09:21

Just like Scotland. Sturgeon called women racists homophobic and transphobic

but we had politicians like jo cherry pushing back and then of course sturgeon ran off

sorry wales. It’s Biazzare seeing how these politicians are allowed to get away with and enjoy their misogyny