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Mark Drakeford, First Minister Wales: women's concerns a 'shrill dogwhistle'

113 replies

Pluvia · 09/05/2023 18:53

This is the man who went to Swansea Pride the other week and talked solely about trans, ignoring the LGB completely.

Today he accused a member of the Senedd voicing concerns brought to him by her constituents of being shrill and using a dogwhistle.

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

https://twitter.com/LauraJ4SWEast/status/1655954016151695360

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EmmaEmerald · 09/05/2023 20:02

FigRollsAlly · 09/05/2023 19:56

He’s dismissive, but what makes it so unpleasant is that he’s accusing her of raising something that no “decent” person would, and he is dripping with contempt.

I think you're right
like he's saying "I can accuse you of being transphobic, racist and totally get away with it because you dare to be a woman and talk about women".

dropthevipers · 09/05/2023 20:05

Twatastic!

Alwaystheweather · 09/05/2023 20:10

Shrill, Jesus Christ! That man is a disgusting misogynist.

And what a typical TRA response from him. Can't answer the reasonable questions so results to angry name calling instead.

The hypocrisy of the man. She asked her question calmly and reasonably, he answers angrily, throws in comparisons to racism and yet accuses her of being shrill and dog whistling.

Alwaystheweather · 09/05/2023 20:15

He’s dismissive, but what makes it so unpleasant is that he’s accusing her of raising something that no “decent” person would, and he is dripping with contempt

Yup, but what's so disturbing and disgusting about it is that he is dismissive, dripping with contempt, angry and attacking, yet can't articulate what it is that she has done that is wrong, to deserve such an attack. Its a laser sharp display of pure misogynistic entitlement to hate and dismiss women.

EarthSight · 09/05/2023 20:16

'Shrill'.

That's what women's rights are. Shame on him.

EarthSight · 09/05/2023 20:19

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/05/2023 19:50

yup, this

they're not getting my vote

This. What a misogynist man he is.

SunnyEgg · 09/05/2023 20:20

Labour are going to do this from now on aren’t they

Try to rubbish any questions and concerns from women

It’s so concerning where we are headed

SueVineer · 09/05/2023 20:22

Misogynist

eurochick · 09/05/2023 20:27

Outrageous misogyny. AngryAngryAngry

TheMarzipanDildo · 09/05/2023 20:27

Shrill? Of all fucking things?

RealityFan · 09/05/2023 20:51

MNers have been debating the virtues of voting Labour. Or LD, Green. Or indeed any party to try and correct the reckless course the Tories have misdirected us on for nigh on 13 years, 14 by the time of the GE.

Will Starmer bring in Self ID? Will he capitulate to the TRAs amongst his activists, MPs and front bench? Will he stand firm in the kind of gender critical way we'd all love, or just wilt?

Well, with the SNP and Welsh Labour, and in a smaller way, the Greens in Brighton, having been in their own ascendancies for well over a decade, nearly two, we don't have to look very far to see where a Starmer Labour govt will take us.

Indeed with Starmer's quote in the Guardian that woke issues are beneath his notice, we have more evidence that there isn't gonna be a happy ending here.

If I didn't despise trans politics so much, I'd admire the tenacity and success of their campaign. Via mendacious tactics, the likes of Dentons and Stonewall have literally implanted the irreversible and irresistible direction of travel within centrist/Leftist political parties in the West, and more and more Rightist ones too.

So that today, the leader of a major party can bald faced say to another politician, on being questioned in their parliament, that women's and kid's concerns are a dog whistle. In other words that this woman is the 2023 equivalent of an NF and BNP racist from the 70s and 80s, and that highlighting concerns on trans access to women's prisons, sports, and safe spaces, is the equivalent of Tommy Robinson using the N-word.

And whatever polling they're doing, it's showing that Drakeford and Starmer and the like are so confident of ultimate electoral victory that they can both trample on women's and girls' genuine concerns.

If I had any lingering doubts about voting Labour ever, they're put to bed.

What is it they say? If a person tells you who they are (over and over again), believe them.

lechiffre55 · 09/05/2023 21:04

Pluvia · 09/05/2023 19:47

Those of you who don't live in Wales probably have no idea how untouchable Labour feels itself to be. It's been in office for more than 20 years and if things keep going the way they are now, it'll be another 20 years before they're challenged. We're living in a one-party state. There is no equivalent of the House of Lords, no one to check their arrogance.

Gives me no pleasure to confirm this is true.

It's like the SNP were before they imploded.
The arrogance is exactly the same as the SNPs. Anyone who doesn't think the same way as them deserves to be ignored and shamed.
Labour in Wales could put up a piano as a candidate for election and it would win.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/05/2023 21:08

Drakeford is still a misogynistic cunt then

BlessedKali · 09/05/2023 21:43

Please can someone more politically minded advise a course if action for us welsh mumsnetters? Contacting MP and/or labour MP regarding this?

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:47

Fucking hell. How the fuck dare you you fucking idiot man?!

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:49

BlessedKali · 09/05/2023 21:43

Please can someone more politically minded advise a course if action for us welsh mumsnetters? Contacting MP and/or labour MP regarding this?

Write to every fucker. Copy them all in so they are aware you are writing to everyone.

https://senedd.wales/people/mark-drakeford-ms/

https://www.writetothem.com/

https://labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

Fucker. Imagine if he'd used a slur against any other minority? But he can use a sexist one to smear women. Fucker.

Mark Drakeford MS

The Welsh Parliament is the democratically elected body that represents the interests of Wales and its people. Commonly known as the Senedd, it makes laws for Wales, agrees Welsh taxes and holds the Welsh Government to account.

https://senedd.wales/people/mark-drakeford-ms

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:50

I recommend not swearing in comms btw. Just get it all out of your system first and then write with the swears deleted.

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 21:51

Lest anyone consider your words fucking SHRILL.

Lammysaurus · 09/05/2023 21:55

What does it mean that Mark can "hear" the dogwhistle when no one else can? Did he lie down with dogs and get up with fleas?

Flangeosaurus · 09/05/2023 22:03

God what an absolutely insufferable wanker he is. So fucking angry that in 2023 it’s somehow ok for nasty little lefty arseholes to continue their disgusting mysogyny. Saying the quiet parts out loud. Vile.

Ame45 · 09/05/2023 22:16

Have complained to my MP and Labour Party

JayAlfredPrufrock · 09/05/2023 22:24

I’m ashamed to say I don’t really understand ‘dog whistle’.

Qbish · 09/05/2023 22:29

Sit down and shut up, women. Welsh Labour aren't interested in your rights or spaces.

And it'll be the same in England, once Keir gets in and changes his tune again.

justasking111 · 09/05/2023 22:33

Our health board the auditors discovered have mislaid £124 million in twelve months. The Welsh government announced last week that the matter was closed. WTF.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

Plaid who snuggle up to labour have said this today. See above

Ysbyty Bangor

North Wales NHS report 'found accounts falsified' - BBC News

Plaid leader says unpublished report suggests fraud took place at Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-65534003.amp

tobee · 09/05/2023 22:34

There's no reason for Mark Drakeford to talk like this (I can't believe that Welsh voters are calling out en masse for trans rights as their no 1 priority) except he's been delighted to find an outlet for his misogyny; his outright hatred of women.