Medical evidence over trans ideology: welcome to the doctors’ resistance

[Igneococcus]

I can't see this has been shared yet, but I'm only just emerging from a migraine, so apologies if there is a thread already.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bde6beee-ec3b-11ed-bf13-ef78badfc41f?shareToken=bdc575b65c457cbccb44ca90dcf53a45

Excellent article thank you for thread Igneococcus CAN-SG need to get in the media and Parliamentary spotlight as much as possible.

1. because obviously, first do no harm, children and young people’s well-being are at stake

2. because the kind of professional evidence from practice they bring is shocking

3)there is no TRA counter to these professional concerns. TRA lobby are essentially a religious cult with no evidence to show of patient benefit, no evidence to show of patient safety and no system of professional ethics to back up the kind of ‘healthcare’ that they are advocating for.

i think we should be concerned about the transparency of these new regional hubs. Harder to scrutinise a distributed network of centres, than one main one with satellite centres under their umbrella.. a good time to ask questions about this.

Thanks for the share token OP. As usual HF has written a thoughtful article. I agree with her point that it seems peculiar that such a group needs to exist at all. Evidence-based healthcare is sadly lacking in this area

Wow

simultaneously heartening and depressing article, thank you for the share

“We have members who have been accused of transphobia for asking to see the evidence behind medicalised gender treatments. But it is very clear the evidence is weak. We are not the outliers here. Sex really does matter.”

jeez Louise

medics being pilloried for asking for evidence. What the heck?

I had not previously seen this. It is very alarming that doctors, many of them working in 'mental health' rather than more physical areas of medicine, who feel the need to band together to resist the confusion of sex and gender are afraid to speak out openly. Hadley Freeman is doing good work.

I can't believe it said there are some medical professionals who say sex is created by society! What the actual fuck?

Thanks for sharing this.

It's terrible that choices that irreversibly impact the lives of vulnerable prepubescent girls can't be openly discussed and questioned so best outcome is arrived at. I'm struggling to understand how this has happened.

Another one amazed and horrified that these dangerous practices have been allowed to spread unchecked in the medical profession. Good to see Hadley publicising this and thank you Slothtoes for this:

1. because obviously, first do no harm, children and young people’s well-being are at stake
2. because the kind of professional evidence from practice they bring is shocking
3. there is no TRA counter to these professional concerns. TRA lobby are essentially a religious cult with no evidence to show of patient benefit, no evidence to show of patient safety and no system of professional ethics to back up the kind of ‘healthcare’ that they are advocating for.

My God, they have their tentacles in everything, don't they?

So with the Tavistock model totally discredited by Cass and the Time To Think book, the regional hubs are gonna follow...the Tavistock model???!!!

I'm a health professional, luckily with a light touch regulator and one to one with patients where I have full autonomy, my patients mainly GC and happy to talk about this subject.

The rot has really set in deep to the main institutions, hopefully Hadley's report is a sign of proper sunlight filtering in.

This battle has a lot longer to run, herd mentality and purity spirals have scuppered medicine for too long.

Such a relief to see this increasingly being stated and addressed and more and more small resistance groups growing.

We predicted here on FWR on the day of the interim Cass report that unless the NHS and govt were very careful, GIDS would just break into hubs with the political pressure groups and lobby and carry on doing exactly what GIDS was doing in smaller pockets. This is apparently happening and professionals are fully aware of it.

Rats fleeing the sinking ship find newer ships.

DIsmantling GIDS was addressing the symptoms. The root cause is going to have to be faced and dealt with.

While I think most doctors are GC, the medical profession's bureaucracy is totally captured. The BMA, GMC, many Royal Colleges, medical schools, the CQC and NHS England (and devolved equivalents) are all pushing Stonewall law. It is frightening what is being taught in medical school. Of course, medical training has always been politicised to some extent, and influenced by contemporary social beliefs - think Victorians and female hysteria. But I cannot think of any time in the past when we were knowingly teaching medical students ideology in preference to science in the UK. It genuinely reminds me of Nazism, in the sense of teaching students to value ideology above reality.

Arrogant cult of personality surgeons, biased and self-absorbed therapists, and profit-driven pharma, what could go wrong?

All that they'll admit went wrong at the Tavistock was the fault of everyone else... transphobic society, funding cutbacks from central government, data to support the radical Affirmation And Intervention protocol slow in coming...never themselves.

So the root cause being rooted out? Don't hold your breath. Even now, Sunak is slow to read the runes. The brief tenure of the previous health secretary Sajid Javid showed promise, he highlighted the need to absolutely investigate further.

But nothing has come of this from the current incumbent.

Will the SSE debacle that Miriam Cates and Rosie Duffield both highlighted lead to meaningful change?

When Labour win the next GE, and we either sleepwalk to Self ID or we're on the express train, I'll always remember a CONSERVEative government that was at the wheel for 14 years while this momentum built up, but was totally asleep. And thus did the opposite of conserving female rights and kids welfare.

That's a bitter pill for this four decades plus Tory voter to swallow.

GIDS have been training the new centres. So there's that.

Also depressing that the individuals involved didn’t feel they could give their names.

I'm a health professional, luckily with a light touch regulator and one to one with patients where I have full autonomy, my patients mainly GC and happy to talk about this subject.

Are you a physiotherapist by any chance? I remember Elaine Miller being reported to her professional body but not being worried because they weren't fully captured. Don't answer if you'd prefer not to.

Isn't that amazing, that you (very caringly) needed to check if I could reveal myself. Thanks.

No, not a physio. I believe like speech therapy, they're in trouble on free speech concerns.

I'm not a million miles away from physios.

I'm glad that at least there is a regulator that isn't captured, RealityFan.

It's so depressing to see medical bodies fall for such a profoundly anti-scientific ideology - even the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists has drunk the Kool aid. They, of all people, should know what a woman is.

It's as if they'd all started believing that illness was caused by an imbalance of the four humours, or began using blood-letting as a treatment. I feel at a loss what to do about it - if you can't engage with qualified medical practitioners on a rational basis, how on earth are you going to change their minds?

The rot goes deeper. Combine white male dominated professions looking to atone for sins against blacks, gays, trans, and, oh, women (hmm, something's gone wrong w atoning for mistreating women by deciding to... mistreat women again), a new glittery community that must be protected at all costs, and the clincher as laid out by Helen Joyce, the self made universal, personal happiness now being the benchmark, all levers of the state to be pulled to achieve everyone's personal maximum state of happiness.

Put this all in the pot, simmer, stir, and you have the trans stew, with ingredients from every organisation you can name.

And that's all that's on the menu.

Ironically, the two groups medicine should be bowing down to atone for, are women and gays.

However, true to form, medicine's ignoble history of trying to erase homosexuality, and dismiss women as hysterics, is in vogue once again.

Arrogant cult of personality surgeons, biased and self-absorbed therapists, and profit-driven pharma, what could go wrong?

The push here has come from physicians/paediatricians/psychiatrists and outlier GPs, not from surgeons.

I'm not saying we should not criticise surgeons who perform the surgery - we certainly should. But surgeons are not leading the push for transition in the UK.

Sure, it's deffo the Be Kind, Be Yourself, Be Happy therapist/physician mantras that dominate the early and middle journeys.

You only have to read Eliza Mondegreen's shocking reports from the recent EPATH conference...bad data is ignored, free speech and dissent is ignored, the moment a child says they might be trans, they are, and nothing must deviate from transition.

And tellingly, no questions from the floor, nervous laughter when awful data eg osteoporosis risk is mentioned, and the kind of siege mentality that would have embarrassed even David Koresch at Waco.

These poisonous individuals are setting the momentum in gender "care". It's up to this new grouping to shout, and shout loudly enough, so more join, and the EPATH mantra is squarely challenged and reversed.

We kinda thought Tavistock roll up was the end. No, it's not even the beginning of the end, it's the end of the start.

Helen's article indicates the start of the move to get to the start of the end.

Will read the article later - it looks very interesting, so thanks for posting @Igneococcus
I just wanted to make the quick point though, that it's hardly surprising that some new Dr's are pro trans, when they're being trained at Edinburgh uni!
The ideology has infected that place like the plague, judging by what's been shown on youtube lately!
I'm sure 1st year anatomy is a real hoot there!

Igneococcus · Today 10:50
Thank you very much, that is heartening to some extent. The capture of medical people is hard to believe but I hope the membership of this grows.

What's needed are individual doctors and small groups in each and every institution, unafraid to speak up. The moment that happens, others will decide to be bold as well.
Then we'll see how strong a stranglehold this fake science has on the medical industry.

This isn't the main point but the following is actually rather insightful:

“It’s confusing to describe a young female patient’s history of sexual abuse and trauma if I have to refer to her as ‘him’,” said an NHS psychiatrist.

Exactly. This is exactly why pronouns aren't just inconsequential and to be polite one should go along with it. Doing so means lying to yourself. Which indeed can be confusing.