Twisted Sister

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“Why did the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade invite me, Dee Snider to be a Grand Marshal in their parade and sing ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It’ on the center stage at what could possibly be the most important LGBTQIA+ gathering in the organization’s long history. To quote Joe Garofoli, San Francisco Chronicle‘s senior political writer, ‘… Dee Snider [is] a longtime supporter of LGBTQ rights…’

I have ALWAYS stood with the community and its important causes. I was honored to accept the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade’s invitation and I even gave my blessing for ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It’ to be used as this year’s battle cry [‘Queer Not Gonna Take It!’].

Is that transphobic?

I was not aware the Transgender community expects fealty and total agreement with all their beliefs and any variation or deviation is considered ‘transphobic.’

https://www.consequence.net/2023/05/dee-snider-responds-san-francisco-pride-statement

Seems a decent guy who has peaked

Let's hope he can get that message across to a few more people

Interesting that Paul Stanley has backtracked because of the backlash, but Dee Snider seems confident in his views. Good to see someone standing up to keep children safe.

We have to believe that the vast majority of this care is reversible apparently!

https://www.billboard.com/culture/pride/paul-stanley-walks-back-transphobic-comments-1235322651/

That's a good statement.

Interesting he quoted a quote about reasoning.

Verbal reasoning takes a long time to develop. There's something called Blanks levels of verbal reasoning:

4:
Reasoning about perception - 'reasoning' - talking about what causes things to happen and make predictions about future events based upon past experiences. Understanding of these questions begins to emerge at around 5 years of age and is continuing to develop at 6 years of age.

It is also sometimes within realms of normalcy for this to continue at age 7. But other skills and abilities do continue to develop into adulthood. And contextual and comprehensive understanding develops continuously.

Blank level 4

• Predicting e.g. What will happen if ...
• Justifying prediction e.g. Why?
• Identifying cause of event e.g. Why did it happen?
• Provide solution to problem e.g. what could you do?
• Explaining obstacles to solution e.g. Why can't we ...
• Explaining observation e.g. How can we tell?
• Selecting means to goal e.g. what could we use?
• Explaining means to goal e.g. Why should we use that?
• Explaining construction of objects e.g. Why is ... made of ...?

But a child with autism may struggle with verbal reasoning skills well into teens and beyond.

It's beyond bonkers that children are allowed to make these adult decisions

operationdiversityacademy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Blank-Levels-.pdf

Seems some others are speaking out while some still don't get it

www.billboard.com/music/music-news/howard-stern-kid-rock-travis-tritt-transphobia-dylan-mulvaney-reactions-1235300460/

Dee Snider has always come across as a very thinking guy, he was in the forefront of the fight against music censorship back in the 80s and is pretty damn gender non conforming. Can't imagine he thinks a boy who likes makeup is actually a girl.
And not surprising he doesn't appreciate being told what he is and isn't allowed to think.

Brilliantly written comments by Dee Snider. It's very powerful that he states clearly that he'll continue to support the LGBT+ community, even if they reject him. Yet he won't be silenced on the subject of children being at risk of making choices about irreversible physical changes that are highly unlikely to be the right choice for the vast majority of them. I hope Daniel Radcliffe is listening.

@WarriorN I've just read the article that you've linked in the thread to. I've been reflecting on the outrage against Dylan Mulvaney promoting Bud Light since the interesting conversations that are happening on the "Genuinely willing to discuss" threads.... I can understand why Howard Stern is calling out the transphobia in this because I think he might be right. I think lots of people are angry at Dylan promoting their favourite beer because they don't like transwomen. That's transphobia. Some will have other reasons but I think the majority of the outrage is simply the dislike of seeing a transwoman promoting their "manly" beer.

It's such a loud protest that it's drowned out the voices of people who were angry about Dylan promoting sports bras (in summary, the anger was because Dylan has no breasts and prances about in a parody of womanhood - where instead an actual sports woman could have been used in the promotion) and kitchen products (in summary, the anger was because this promotion was part of campaign about women for women - again, Dylan was parodying women in the way Dylan was waving around all the kitchen stuff).

In short, I think the Bud Light, Nike and Kitchen Aid outrages have all been conflated and grouped together as transphobic, as far as people like Howard Stern are concerned.

The walking back by Paul Stanley looks more like a statement issued under duress that still doesn't give his captives what they demanded:

Closing his new statement, Stanley opted not to clarify his original statement, insisting that social media may not be the best place for genuine discourse. “A paragraph or two will remain far too short to fully convey my thoughts or point of view, so I will leave that for another time and place,” he wrote.

There is a wonderful clarity to his statement when talks about fealty.

Dee Snider is happy to be an ally but won't be a vassal.

Dee Snider's a good guy. I'm aware of his campaign supporting Ukraine.

It looks like there's some parallels here with this statement and JKR's essay, so it will be interesting to see if/ how this dogs Snider going forward or if the fuss just dies down. Otherwise, good to see someone just standing up, calling it as they see it and simply saying no.

Good for him for sticking to his guns.

I get annoyed with other celebrities who speak out, can't take the heat, and then apologise, grovel and backtrack. I think it does more damage than saying nothing at all, as it gives the bullies more power. Speaking out takes a lot of courage - you have to be prepared for heaps of abuse, and possibly the loss of your career. If you're not ready for that, best stay quiet until you are.

Well done Dee for retaining your view on this.

He really does seem like a interesting chap.

He does.

I knew the band and his name but not much about him.

I always read up about on people who speak out on this and it rarely disappoints

Played a few tracks of his on YouTube too

Not my thing but it makes me feel connected with a decent guy

He kicked off when Trump and MAGA types played "We're Not Gonna Take It" at their events. I've followed him on Twitter for a while since then. He's more on the Democrat side of things but he's a gun owner (pro-gun control as far as I can tell). Probably more an independent politically- it's a US thing.
I love how these idiots have been saying "but you wear make up ....". They really show themselves up as building all this shit around gendered stereotypes.
Can't stand his music but he's a pretty articulate guy and unafraid of the nonsense.

I also like that he's spotted the stuff about fealty to the overlords. Which is such an unAmerican thing to be honest.

people who point out that sterilising children is not ok MUST be silenced by genderism

why is messing with children's bodies so incredibly important to the ideology?

It's difficult to square Dee Snider as transphobic when he's in Twisted Sister! This is a band who are open about their cross dressing. It goes further than the whole glam rock thing and they've always been v open about that.

I think Dee cares about children and is principled. He is an ally however and I'm interested in how he feels about cross dressing men like him using women's spaces.

But we all have limits and if the kid thing is Dee's limit then good for him and I admire him for at least saying no to this aspect.

It is slightly amusing that Dee describes himself as cisgender. Of course Dee Snider is a very much a man but modern gender ideology would tell him that he is absolutely not!

It proves the adults have "always been." "I was this as a child and wish I had had the opportunity to be medicalised then."

The adults need the children as props for their own existence.*

*could be replaced with an alternative word starting with f.

And even better, it 'proves' that it's not the f-word.

Trans children are essential to the promotion of this ideology because, as one transactivist put it, they "demystify it and take the sex right out of the trans experience.”

I don't love men pretending to be women and trying to take all our things, but I do think it's the insistence on mutilating children that really tips me over the edge.

there's a phrase that seems a little understated.

They're probably unprepared for the backlash. Many of these people will have said controversial things before, and think the response will be similar. Even JK Rowling apologised after her initial comment on this. Martina Navratilova went off and 'educated herself' (and then decided she'd been right all along).

A lot of people will make a comment that they think is fairly uncontroversial, and that most reasonable people with agree with. Comments like "sterilising children is wrong", or that a 5-year-old boy isn't transsexual just because he likes dressing up in a princess dress and playing with dolls. Then they get a deluge of abuse telling them that they're transphobic which they were totally unprepared for.

I remember my very first public spat, on Facebook. A pal of mine posted about the GRA reforms and I replied, thinking all my points were reasonable and rational and evidence based. The utter utter vitreol of my friend in his reply, and then all HIS friends who piled on, calling me all sorts of names and telling me how awful I was, blocking me - not just two, or three, literally dozens of gay men telling me what a bigot and a fascist and a transphobe I was, it took my breath away a bit.

I can see why people back track. Paul Stanley probably thought that no one had tried bringing up the sterilisation of children up before and as soon as he raised it everyone would go, ahhhhh, I see........ But no.

I always loved the lyrics of We’re Not Gonna Take It and it is a pretty good terfy anthem 😎

We've got the right to choose, and
There ain't no way we'll lose it
This is our life, this is our song
We'll fight the powers that be, just
Don't pick on our destiny, 'cause
You don't know us, you don't belong

What will they do when they run out of allies, though? It seems that anyone can get it wrong, even by a single word, and then stoning is too good for them. Surely this will start to play out even amongst the be kind brigade?

I suppose I am underestimating the $$$ power of the lobby.

My cultural background is rock and metal music and tattoos/body modification and I am SO pleased to see this.

There are a bunch of teens overrunning the alternative music subreddits at the moment attempting to rewrite history and co-opt previous music movements to a modern woke agenda (the most famous one being claiming that Kurt Cobain was trans because he wore a few dresses in his time).

Any older musician who even gently pushes back is immediately denounced as right wing.

Of course, most musicians from the previous 50-60 year of rock and roll were anti authoritarian, rather than party political, and many of them (like me) still have a deep distrust of authoritarianism even in middle and older age, so it makes more sense for them to be anti woke than pro woke.

Damn kids can’t seem to see this though!