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“Why did the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade invite me, Dee Snider to be a Grand Marshal in their parade and sing ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It’ on the center stage at what could possibly be the most important LGBTQIA+ gathering in the organization’s long history. To quote Joe Garofoli, San Francisco Chronicle‘s senior political writer, ‘… Dee Snider [is] a longtime supporter of LGBTQ rights…’

I have ALWAYS stood with the community and its important causes. I was honored to accept the San Francisco Gay Pride Parade’s invitation and I even gave my blessing for ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It’ to be used as this year’s battle cry [‘Queer Not Gonna Take It!’].

Is that transphobic?

I was not aware the Transgender community expects fealty and total agreement with all their beliefs and any variation or deviation is considered ‘transphobic.’

https://www.consequence.net/2023/05/dee-snider-responds-san-francisco-pride-statement

https://www.nme.com/news/music/glenn-danzig-says-modern-punk-explosion-wont-happen-due-to-cancel-culture-and-woke-bullshit-2931556

Glenn Danzig (formerly of the Misfits) speaking out against cancel culture more generally a couple of years ago.

I think lots of people are angry at Dylan promoting their favourite beer because they don't like transwomen. That's transphobia. Some will have other reasons but I think the majority of the outrage is simply the dislike of seeing a transwoman promoting their "manly" beer.

I think the key word here is 'men' is it not (men are angry ...)? and there is a segue between transphobia and homophobia - I suspect the real, underlying issue is homophobia.

yeah that's a powerful choice of words

Maybe people are also just uncomfortable with any male stating they are ‘girls’. It is clearly impossible and people are responding to being told this is to be celebrated.

I don’t doubt there are people who are transphobic.

I suspect that a huge % of people are responding to a brand supporting a person who is celebrated for being a ‘girl‘ and not a male who is gender non-conforming. Don’t ever underestimate the resentment of brands telling people what to think .

Not convinced its phobia, more likely they (the men) can see the blatant misogyny, the pretence of being woman, woman face if you will, and they finally see what we see. And as is the way of the world, patriarchy means they listen to each other and get listened to, even amplified.

10 men saying this is all kinds of wrong creates a bigger wave than 100,000 women.

Theres a theory about it but I forget the name.

BonfireLady - "I think lots of people are angry at Dylan promoting their favourite beer because they don't like transwomen. That's transphobia. Some will have other reasons but I think the majority of the outrage is simply the dislike of seeing a transwoman promoting their "manly" beer."

As I understand it, the outrage from men was not just, or even, the fact that a "transwoman" was promoting their "manly beer", that "they don't like transwomen. That's transphobia".

Firstly, this assumes that those men actually perceive Dylan as a "transwoman". IMHO I think many people perceive Dylan first and foremost, if not solely, as an obnoxious, attention-seeking narcissist.

Some people can't stand actors, perceiving them as shallow, others despise journalists, lawyers, politicians, etc. etc. irrespective of their sex or magical gender wotsit.

Dylan is a failed actor who, before Dylan became a "girl", pranced around doing an OTT camp-gay performance as a contestant on TV Game Shows. Not dissimilar to some of the OTT "dizzy bimbo" stunts Dylan has pulled as a "girl". Before Dylan parodied womanhood, Dylan parodied a particular type of camp-twinky gayness.

If Dylan had been any good as a thespian then Dylan might have carved a career as an OTT "dizzy twink" character actor or minor C-list celeb, semi-famous for being semi-famous. (One of Dylan's actor pals wrote and scripted the early "Days of Girlhood" stunts for Dylan to help get the act up and running.)

So the first reason that I do not buy that their reaction is due to "transphobia", though possibly homophobia, is that there are much more compelling reasons for finding Dylan an obnoxious POS.

The second reason is that when Dylan announced the disputed "partnership" with Bud Light Dylan thought it would be funny and clever to deliberately insult and belittle "March Madness", the major event in Men's Sport being celebrated by Bud Light with the competition being promoted by Dylan!! (gasp!)

The text of Dylan's Instagram post is pretty much the script for the remark which caused so much offence:

Happy March Madness!! Just found out this had to do with sports and not just saying it’s a crazy month! In celebration of this sports thing @budlight is giving you the chance to win $15,000! Share a video with #EasyCarryContest for a chance to win!! Good luck! #budlightpartner

The initial news coverage was split between:
a) Left-leaning and "LGBT+" outlets that mentioned only, or emphasised, that the "partnership" was down to Bud Light wanting to celebrate Dylan achieving "365 Days of Girlhood" and
b) Right-leaning and "Sports" outlets that mentioned only, or led with, the tie-in with Bud Light celebrating "March Madness", the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division 1 men's basketball tournament,Division I men's basketball tournament.

(I had to look it up to find out what this "March Madness" thing was - probably the only thing that Dylan and I have in common is that we know bugger all about basketball.)

Looking at recent MSM coverage of the continuing saga of boycotts (including by LGBT+ organisations pissed-off that Anheuser-Busch has distanced itself from Dylan) poor Dylan's 365 Day achievement seems to have been forgotten and only the March Madness tie-in is mentioned, eg.

Chicago gay bars boycott Anheuser-Busch for distancing itself from Dylan Mulvaney
May 10 2023
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/chicago-gay-bars-boycott-anheuser-busch-distancing-dylan-mulvaney-rcna83537

Boston Red Sox fans are ditching Bud Light at Fenway Park as Dylan Mulvaney backlash leaves line for signature blue cans empty
May 5 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12049101/Boston-Red-Sox-fans-ditching-Bud-Light-Fenway-Park-Dylan-Mulvaney-backlash-leaves-line-empty.html

(Boston Red Sox is a baseball team - I had to look that up as well)

So, IMHO, the extreme adverse reaction to Dylan's Bud Light promotion was not "because they don't like transwomen" but because of Dylan's performance as an "influencer" ("dizzy bimbo" retaining a streak of "dizzy twink") plus how Dylan handled the promotion (insulting an iconic men's sporting event and, by implication, the men who care about it).

I've got a feeling in my bones that had it been Caitlyn Jenner wearing a track suit and taking it seriously that it might have attracted a bit of side-eye but not much more than that.

Caitlyn is a "lesbian" now, ie. still heterosexual. Which brings us back to whether there was homophobia involved in the reaction to Dylan + Bud Light.

Seems so for at least some of the boycotters:

Suspected Bud Light purchase likely led to altercation outside Ontario liquor store: police
May 9 2023

A man and a woman were allegedly accosted by several males outside of a store located in the Jane Street and Major Mackenzie Drive West area.

“One of the suspects commented on the male victim’s choice of alcohol and uttered anti-homosexual derogatory slurs as he approached the victim,” police said in a news release.

A police spokesperson told Global News the suspect commented on what they thought was a Bud Light purchase.

Full story:
https://globalnews.ca/news/9684566/vaughan-ontario-liquor-store-assault-bud-light/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter

That incident sounds like it might be part of a backlash against LGB people that we have all been concerned would be coming as the public loses patience with the constant barrage of T+ propaganda, along with colonisation of the interests of the 99% by the 1%.

We argue, and I would agree, that our distaste and anger about Dylan's tampon-obsession and Dylan's commercial sponsorship deals promoting Maybelline, Nike sports bras, etc. are legitimate.

Why then should we attribute "transphobia" to men who object to Dylan making a mockery of what they hold dear?

Incidentally, Caitlyn Jenner is with the lads on this one:

Caitlyn Jenner Addresses Hard Seltzer Ties Amid Dylan Mulvaney Controversy
April 12 2023

"Caitlyn Jenner spoke out about her promotional ties to a hard seltzer company after Kid Rock endorsed the beverage. Rock's praise for the drink came after he indicated he would longer support Bud Light because of its work with a transgender influencer."

" . . . Rock's endorsement of Happy Dad came after the company previously worked with Jenner, a transgender media personality and former Olympic gold-medal-winning decathlete."

"Jenner defended that work in a Tuesday tweet while also criticizing Anheuser-Busch.

You know why my tie to this brand ⁦@happydad⁩ didn't tank it like the anheuser-busch controversy (The market cap so far has fallen nearly $6BILLION). In fact sales SKYROCKETED, bc my support wasn't some fake manufactured woke marketing move," Jenner wrote on Twitter, with a link to the Newsweek story."

Full story:
https://www.newsweek.com/caitlyn-jenner-addresses-hard-seltzer-ties-amid-dylan-mulvaney-controversy-1793968

Finally, if we are pissed-off with Dylan, imagine how pissed-off Dylan is that Dylan's fan-base on social media are woke on the street but TERFs in the sheets!

"Lucky in money, unlucky in love"

Dylan Mulvaney's TikTok fortune REVEALED: Buoyed by White House debut, influencer set to net $1M from endorsement deals this year
Nov 1 2022

Kendall Fargo, president of GrowMojo, a California-based social media marketing consultancy, told DailyMail.com that Mulvaney's trajectory was impressive and predicted her 8.8 million fan base could double by year's end.

'I absolutely believe Dylan will make over $1m this year,' Fargo told DailyMail.com.

'If Dylan stays on this track, it could easily become double-digit millions of dollars in several years, by remaining authentic, and producing good, entertaining content for a follower base that just continues to grow.'

Assil Dayri, founder of London-based AMD Consulting Group, which helps companies grow their reach on social media, said Mulvaney's platform was 'very lucrative' and 'easily' netted her $100,000 per month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11377547/TikToker-Dylan-Mulvaney-set-make-1M-endorsements-odd-man-girl-transition-show.html

Bud Light makes special can to celebrate Dylan Mulvaney's '365 days of girlhood'
April 1 2023

"Despite the glory, Mulvaney has complained that "no one is in the DMs," and that dating as trans has not been easy, despite being attractive enough, as Mulvaney says, a "husband stealer."

https://thepostmillennial.com/budweiser-celebrates-biological-male-dylan-mulvaneys-365-days-of-girlhood

So sad! 😢

Great post, Bosky

I agree that a different trans person behaving in a different way would not attract the same response as Dylan did.

Theoretically, I should find Mulvaney more sympathetic than Jenner, what with Jenner being a late-transitioning male with a wife and grown up children/grandchildren etc but, well, everyone here knows how Mulvaney’s online character behaves.

Not homophobia though, as like I said, generally the HSTS types are the male transitioners women think most favourable of.

I was not aware the Transgender community expects fealty and total agreement with all their beliefs and any variation or deviation is considered ‘transphobic.’

Well, that was his first mistake.

And I predict he will be joining J. K. Rowling and Martina Navratilova within a few weeks.

'Trans children' are crucial to these adult men. Without them, as someone up thread says, the sexual element is undeniable.

What sounds reasonable to him, will be unthinkable to transactivists.

Me too. Dylan was in the bath, blowing bubbles, voguing and camping it up outrageously while drinking, the 'frat boy' beer. Plus all the tinkly, flirty giggles about not understanding sport.

None of it came across as a man trying to be a woman. It all came across as high camp gay.

All the good ole boys are petrified they'll catch it.

Caitlyn Jenner would not have had the same effect. Away from the cameras, I bet Jenner can be as fratty as you like.

If DM was just being a camp gay man, I'd have no problem with it. And enjoy it messing with the rednecks.
But that isn't DM.

Oh, I agree, Dylan saying they are actually a girl is offensive.

All the good ole boys are petrified they'll catch it.

v.

Not convinced its phobia, more likely they (the men) can see the blatant misogyny, the pretence of being woman, woman face if you will, and they finally see what we see.

Personally, as far as misogyny goes it probably takes one to know one. I'm more convinced by the homophobia thesis than I am by the 'men who are protesting misogyny' thesis.

I was reading the statements from men who have refused to buy the beer. What struck me was not them just saying they won't buy it, but many saying they will never ever buy it again. Evah.

Frankly, I'd love all the frat boys in America to recognise misogyny when they see it and go on a mass boycott of their favourite beer in protest. Can you imagine?

Honestly, I'm not convinced this is a huge group.

It's possible for Bud beer drinkers to feel annoyed that they have this guy being pushed on them as some kind of celebrity, basically as some sort of political statement. Kind of like with sports - there are lots of people who are against racism, but don't really want to be inundated with that kind of social and political messaging every time they want to watch a sports event. It feels like being manipulated in some way.

And arguably DM is a pretty poor celebrity, his schitk is to act hyper annoyingly and like a foolish twit. Why would anyone care what beer he endorses?

It's annoying even if you don't really worry about gender ideology.

Frankly, I'd love all the frat boys in America to recognise misogyny when they see it and go on a mass boycott of their favourite beer in protest. Can you imagine?

I strongly suspect that incidents of assaults against women would decline.

It's annoying even if you don't really worry about gender ideology.

I doubt they worry about gender ideology. I bet they have antipathy towards homosexual men though.

I've always loved Twisted Sister. What a guy. Rock people are the best people.

I suspect it puts off a lot of different potential purchasers for different reasons

homophobic / insecure men => Are much less likely to buy the bud light for fear it will make them look gay

secure not too sexist men => Are a little less likely to buy bud light out of instinctive aversion of isn't he taking the piss a bit? I wouldn't want my daughter /wife/girlfriend to think that that's how I expect women to behave

women => overall less likely to buy bud light again for a variety of reasons

So all in all very much, an own goal by Bud Light. That's a great breakdown.

I would still put transphobia alongside homophobia in your first category. I should imagine much of it is interchangable in that particular mindset. Whether it's a aversion to people due to the reasons you highlight because they are trans (presumably this is the truest definition of transphobia) or because they are gay. Perhaps they worry that people would think they're secret cross dressers, for example. It's a fear that stems from bigoted closed mindedness, like you've described.

Dee Snider is a smart guy and has integrity. Once he will look deeper into everything he will join JK Rowling and everyone on our side.

In the late 80's he went before congress and it was kind of funny because they seriously underestimated him because of his looks and his music.

Sorry, I've taken us down Mulvaney side track 🤦‍♀️

Back on to Dee Snider, I think his sign off is particularly powerful. Refusing to be denied as an ally to transgender people while also protecting a boundary that he feels strongly about (children's safety) is a very strong stance. He should team up with Caitlyn Jenner... in reference to another thread on the board.

Why would you assume that was the general feeling?

I know lots of men in the demographic Bud Light wants to hit. Most don't care about homosexuality. There are some of course, but for most it's just really not a thing.

twisted sister were a bit before my time, so I've never seen Dee Sneider in his full glory. he looks amazing, like some kind of tropical fish! And the speech was interesting too, smart guy

contrary to the views people try to imply people who post here regularly hold, I bloody love seeing someone looking so unusual and following their own star when it comes to their looks. I enjoyed him primly removing his rock n roll denim waistcoat before sitting down too!