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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Local elections and GC feminism thread

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JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 03/05/2023 16:33

Hi, just thought I'd start a thread as have seen threads recently about campaigning but not about the actual elections.

I live in a Tory-controlled area which has recently been in the news for bad mismanagement and Lab and LDs snapping at their heels here in different council seats. I don't necessarily want the Tories in but also worried now about the impact on local women's services if anyone else gets in - we currently have good council-run leisure facilities with clearly sex-segregated changing and a local SARC that is female-only.

I am worried these things will be lost.

How is everyone feeling/ voting as we move into Thurs?

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maranella · 04/05/2023 09:55

I voted Conservative. I was going to vote Lib Dem, but I just couldn't do it.

If GC feminism is the hill I've chosen to die on, then die on it I will.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2023 09:58

Just came on to wish Needmoresleep luck.☘️

AnonGCMum · 04/05/2023 10:03

I’ve got a good solid GC independent standing in my ward, so I’ll give her a vote. I get three though and despite it being polling day I still haven’t decided where my other two are going. I think, whisper it, it’s going to have to be Tory.

It doesn’t matter really because it’s a tight Labour-Green marginal so voting for anyone other than those two is basically a waste anyway. But I can’t in good conscience do either.

BlooDeBloop · 04/05/2023 10:12

Ah this is the thread I wanted. I started another thread about my local wannabe councillor. What women centred issues can I bring up with him? He thinks he has no influence over lib Dem policy on for example GRA reform (true), but I wanted to tell him where he could influence things locally for women. I stuck to my kids, local pool facility is mixed sex for example, or not wanting boys to compete against my girl at school. But the school is an academy, the pool a franchise. Any help appreciated.

Floisme · 04/05/2023 10:14

KetoKitt · 04/05/2023 08:57

This is my response from labour cllr.

Thoughts?

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I support the rights of trans people to change their gender- as has been an established legal right for a long time. However it is important that this is not used by anyone who is attempting to use the rules to pose a harm to women. The current legal framework allows for exemptions to protect the safety of those spaces and has been used in prisons for example. There are assessments made of the gender identity of individuals and more importantly any risk that they pose to others. It is a sad fact that there are dangerous and abusive people of all genders and sex and more needs to be done to protect women from that violence and to prosecute offenders more effectively.

One challenge with insisting that spaces are purely “sex based” is that this can actually be incredibly difficult to enforce and would potentially have very negative unintended consequences for all women. For example, would we expect people to show a birth certificate showing their sex/ gender at birth in order to be able to access a refuge or a toilet? Or would we want it to be policed based on sight with women who appear less stereotypically “feminine” having to show their documentation? It does open up a lot of difficult issues in practice.

There is also the situation of trans men who are assigned gender female at birth but live as men and who appear as men and have male hormones. To insist on a purely sex based distinction would mean that they would be forced to use female spaces too.

I do understand the concerns and the need to make sure that spaces are safe – violence against women and girls is a huge issue and one that the Council has made a big priority and invested extra resources into promoting with many new initiatives such as a night time charter for protecting women and girls and engagement with the white ribbon campaign.

I hope this is helpful although I understand you may not agree with all of it.

Best wishes

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My initial thoughts were that this looked promising but on second reading, it does not support single sex spaces. My take is that it appears to be proposing self ID with additional risk assessments as a way forward but it's hard to be certain. That's not good enough for me. I will not be voting Labour today.

Slothtoes · 04/05/2023 10:42

There’s nobody I can vote for with a clear GC conscience so like everyone else I’ve weighed things up. Personally I’m voting for a female Labour candidate, in a Tory area with substantial deprivation. The Tories have been appalling on the local economy, the environment and transport and the cost of living and are literally blighting lives.

I will continue to engage with Labour and also the incumbent Tories on GC issues. To me the Tories are not a party to vote for solely because I have gender critical views. This whole shit show has happened on their watch. And this government have yet to act conclusively in support of sex-based women’s rights, despite a big Parliamentary majority and 13 years in which to do it.

I want to see proper sex-based legal protections for girls and women in my lifetime. There isn’t any GC party to vote for at the moment. And individual posters on here and elsewhere, have done way, way more to protect girls and women than the Tory party has done in 13 years in office, by crowd-funding women’s legal challenges and protesting and raising awareness of these issues on social media and repeatedly with elected officials and candidates.

Hopeanddeadlift · 04/05/2023 12:06

My options are dismal:

Lib Dem candidate: retweeting a post calling the Equality and Human rights commission's letter supporting the need to define 'sex' in the equally act as biological, as part of an "attack" fuelled by "hysteria and hate".

labour Candidate: oddly silent. Can't find any pledges anywhere. Though another labour candidate I did get to speak to was lovely. Until I explained why I wasn't voting Lib Dem.

Heritage party candidate: doesn't quite deny human contribution to global warming, just thinks it isn't a problem just yet so .. full steam ahead.

Conservative candidate: wow-fully inexperience and ...just ick

It's either spoil my vote or vote Tory.

EveryWitchWaybutLoose · 04/05/2023 14:25

I voted Labour because the thought of the Tories was just too much.

But I wish now I had clearly voted Labour, but also spoiled my Bally paper by writing something like “I’m a Labour voter but until you can be clear that a woman is an adult human female, and stop pandering to anti-woman activists, I will spoil my ballot paper, thus depriving you of my vote.”

Abra1t · 04/05/2023 14:48

Gritting my teeth I voted Libdem as the candidate standing for reelection has a good reputation locally for helping communities in a very productive way.

He is a sensible-looking middle-aged man. It was a difficult decision. I hope he doesn’t disappoint me.

astrowars · 04/05/2023 15:20

Anyone got any short and to the point messages to write on my ballot paper? Only have labour or conservative to vote for and can't vote for either as a GC NHS worker

Badgeringabout · 04/05/2023 16:15

Voted Conservative. I would love to have voted Green but they hate women so...

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/05/2023 16:23

astrowars · 04/05/2023 15:20

Anyone got any short and to the point messages to write on my ballot paper? Only have labour or conservative to vote for and can't vote for either as a GC NHS worker

If you want my X
Respect my sex.

dimorphism · 04/05/2023 16:43

I voted Tory. They're the only ones who have the slightest grip on reality for women.

I don't really understand why people think a party where everyone either doesn't understand the basic science about men and women or is too scared to state the bloody obvious would do a good job with anything else. Having a grip on reality should be the bare minimum for elected representatives. Thinking men are women if they just say so fails that test.

As I said on another thread - I have zero confidence they wouldn't just 'identify' as having fixed the NHS. If you can think that's a realistic option for a sex change then anything is possible.

Mycatwantsmedead · 04/05/2023 17:35

What I don’t understand is that none of these candidates do anything but shove a leaflet through your letterbox, but still expect you to turn up and vote tribally.

It’s only the Indy candidates who make the effort which I appreciate. If they had given the right answers on sex and gender they would get my vote no question.

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 04/05/2023 17:52

The people at the polling station must have wondered why it took me so long to "vote". I wrote a couple of sentences against each of the four candidates, giving my reasons for not getting my X. Even if only one person reads it and thinks for a moment it will have been worth it.

DobbysTeaCosy · 04/05/2023 18:12

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 04/05/2023 17:52

The people at the polling station must have wondered why it took me so long to "vote". I wrote a couple of sentences against each of the four candidates, giving my reasons for not getting my X. Even if only one person reads it and thinks for a moment it will have been worth it.

Yes I had this, voting booths in full sight so no hiding my sticker and additions so they will be able to figure out where the terf lives. Good thing they were older women but likely they'll be bemused

KCandtheSunlightBand · 04/05/2023 18:47

Help, What do I do now?

My local Labour candidate has been round, to see if I have voted. ( I have not). Said I couldn’t bring myself to vote Labour, he asked why, and he got it, both barrels. He couldn’t define what a woman is, but said that he is in total agreement, that women need safe spaces and those spaces should be free of men and Trans women.

I asked if he is going to push that up through the party, that ‘our leader’ needs to know that ‘99.9% of women don’t have a penis’ comment is unacceptable. He said he will do what he can do at a local level.

I was already to spoil my ballot paper, bugger!

ILoveToSquanderPromise · 04/05/2023 18:54

I wrote on my ballot. Who knows if any of the buggers will read it or care but I wasn't going to let it lie.

Badgeringabout · 04/05/2023 18:58

He couldn’t define what a woman is

Right there is why you cannot vote for him surely?

WarriorN · 04/05/2023 18:59

I had sent mine in before I knew there was an extremely misogynistic tra trans identified male who has been harassing a local feminist who is vocal about her feminist activism on the list. For labour.

I wish I'd spoilt it and written a few comments.

those eligible to vote in our house went with Lib Dem or green.

WarriorN · 04/05/2023 19:01

Feel confident the local geen is GC. No idea about the Lib Dem but is v good on local issues. Doubt knows much about it.

Badgeringabout · 04/05/2023 19:02

I wouldn't be too sure that your Green is GC as it's practically a hanging offence in that party.

SweetSakura · 04/05/2023 19:04

Mumoftwoinprimary · 04/05/2023 07:48

I’ve decided. I’m spoiling.

But how? I want them to know why.

Was thinking of writing “Lifelong Labour / Lib Dem voter but neither party is able to define what a woman is”.

Noone really reads them though, so I wouldn't waste much time agonising over what you write

Lovecleansheets · 04/05/2023 19:05

Hello fellow GCers, back from the polling booth where my black Sharpie came in very useful on the ballot paper. I wrote a short essay on the importance of single sex spaces to women.
Have not voted Tory ever but it will happen at the General Election if Mere Starmer doesn’t do a U turn on some women have willies. Wanker.

WhiteFire · 04/05/2023 19:12

I know there can be bad apples all over, but ultimately you are still dealing with an individual and their own opinions. He was a very dodgy character and is thankfully gone.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mayor-quizzed-gender-neutral-toilets-16437625

I cast one vote for labour and one for LD's (get 2). I know local elections are used to give a forecast for a GE but I voted on who I felt was the best option locally. A vote for them is a vote against the dipsticks.

Mayor to be quizzed on gender neutral toilets

Cllr Dave Smith is calling for the town to become gender-neutral and wants all council building toilets to become gender-neutral to start with

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mayor-quizzed-gender-neutral-toilets-16437625

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