ICO threatens Gender Clinic with court over Mermaids involvement .

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

The Telegraph is reporting that the ICO has threatened GIDs with court action for denying that they have records about their involvement with Mermaids. A courageous parent who was concerned about the inappropriate influence Mermaids had on GIDs issued some FOIs. The Trust claimed that it "did not hold" emails or minutes of meetings .

Mermaids previously accidentally published emails between Susie Green from Mermaids & Tavistock staff that led to the ICO fining Mermaids for a data breach. In the light of this, the ICO doesn't believe the Trust's denials and has ruled that “on the balance of probabilities” they do have relevant emails. It's a criminal offence to hide, alter or delete information requested via an FOI and it looks as if the ICO are prepared to throw the book at them

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/30/tavistock-nhs-gender-clinic-threatened-court-action/

We've come a long way from the Welsh government explaining that some passing dog ate their equality impact assessment (and the minutes of all meetings commissioning it, discussing it, feeding back on it, discussing how to action it, all the emails, even who did it) but they definitely did one, honest miss, you can ask my dad, and everyone just shrugging.

Very good to see.

Agreed.
There's a massive exercise going on in deleting / removing so much damning information at the moment in order to hide the complicity of numerous organisations and individuals.
We've said it before on here - parents should keep a record of the details of all organisations / individuals in their child's school / health care / counsellors etc trying to persuade children that changing sex is great. When they're adults looking at their ruined fertility, sex lives, damaged bodies & relationships, the information may be helpful if they sue the organisations who gaslit them and failed to protect them.

This is where many of the women here, and others who have been quietly gathering and keeping the receipts for years, will see it finally start to pay off.

A whole lot of this can be proved.

And the battle between 'we identify as reality being this despite the evidence you have in your hand' and 'it's here in writing, you said/did this' will have to be properly fought. Identified reality doesn't tend to stand up well in court.

MrsOvertonsWindow - "More recently the DfE's trans activist senior civil servant was sacked"

Who, why, when? I missed hearing about that!

Has anyone seen the FOI yet?

J Slater - Stonewall gave this supposedly impartial civil servant a special award for installing mixed sex toilets in the DfE. He presided over the massive funding by the DfE of Mermaids, Stonewall and numerous other trans lobby groups and used DfE guidance to sell these organisations to schools.
He was got rid of for other reasons and I'm unsure as to whether his replacement is a more appropriate safeguarding / child centred adult or just another civil servant captured by trans extremism.

Not RTFT but FFS, this is an NHS Trust! They are a public body, they aren’t allowed to hide things and behave like an advocacy group themselves and get away with it. What do they think they are playing at?
If this is true, NHS England and health ombudsmans should be dropping on them like a tonne of bricks at this point for massive failures in leadership and undeniable institutional failure.

If it's meant to be here, then there's no 2023/24 financial year showing and nothing obvious otherwise listed(?):

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/contact-us/freedom-of-information/foi-disclosure-log/

We've said it before on here - parents should keep a record of the details of all organisations / individuals in their child's school / health care / counsellors etc trying to persuade children that changing sex is great. When they're adults looking at their ruined fertility, sex lives, damaged bodies & relationships, the information may be helpful if they sue the organisations who gaslit them and failed to protect them.

What a shit state of affairs. But thank you, that's good advice.

If this is the decision notice:

https://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2023/4024850/ic-163464-l9k4.pdf

Then it states the request was made in June 2021, and refused in Nov 2021. The FOI page published information for the financial year where the information was requested. But the corresponding financial year does not seem to have the information.

In the decision notice, the ICO said:

"The Trust should either provide the complainant with the requested information, if held, or an adequate refusal notice should be provided stating why any held information is exempt from disclosure."

In previous statements, the Tavistock said:

"A spokesman for the Trust said: “We have noted the ICO’s recent decision and are proactively working toward supplying the relevant data before the deadline.”"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/30/tavistock-nhs-gender-clinic-threatened-court-action/

That would seem to mean that the emails should be released.

Bloody well done ICO (and about time too). It doesn't help those poor children but may help vulnerable kids in the future

Absolutely! It is truly unbelievable what has been allowed to happen.

Have you read Time to Think?it's very well researched and evidenced. Its truly astounding what went on (and apparently its continuing). So many children being failed.

Doesn't look like the FOI has been published

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Is it late, embargoed or something else?

Just read this

"The Daily Telegraph is about to publish a new story on the relationship between the NHS Tavistock clinic and Susie Green, the ex CEO of 'sex changes for children' charity Mermaids, who is now trying to limit the damage she fears it's going to cause"

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1662165758023958528?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Which links here:

www.facebook.com/1584620955/posts/hi-alli-got-a-delightful-email-this-morning-one-i-am-sure-that-lots-of-you-would/10222410791850336/

This FOI is linked in that Facebook link, but not sure it's the one the ICO was involved in?

www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/gender-development-service-children-adolescents.pdf

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Its shocking and appalling. Our taxes are funding this disgusting mess.

So Susie was part of the stakeholder group that advised on the 2016 GIDS Service Specification?

She says it was no secret but Ive read lots and wasn't aware of that.

I wonder if this has anything to do in the delay of the Mermaids vs LGBA verdict? Mermaids swear under oath they had no involvement in treatment plans. The ICO has now forced the Tavistock to release material showing the close link and involvement of S Green and Mermaids in the service. S Green is too proud of her involvement to realise admitting to it drops Mermaids in the deep deep shit.

I can see why they didn’t put her on the witness stand.

Yes, I feel like I'm missing something. They categorically said they had no medical expertise at mermaids.

I believe in answer to exactly that. What influence did they have on the Tavistock?

Is she now saying they had a load of influence and so what?

Isn't that perjury?

She really can't see this from the outside either, can she?

She says that they have all this experience of trans children. I'd like to see how many of the children referred to the Tavistock were taught gender ideology by mermaids. I believe she creates trans children.

What other charities get involved in the medication of children?

Does she have expertise in child psychology, child development, expertise with autistic children, children with sexual trauma, looked after children?

I read a shocking statistic that said the children referred to the Tavistock were 10 times more likely to have a registered sex offender as a parent.

Does she have expertise in child abuse?

Did she learn all that when she was being an IT consultant at the citizens advice bureau?

i'd like to see her held to account for what she has done. I don't think it would be too difficult either, to be honest. She has absolutely no sense that she's done anything wrong.

Susie does not know when to keep her gob shut does she.

Oh dear. Going on the defensive. Damage limitation 101 before a media story drops.

Yes Susie Green appears to have said contradictory things under oath.

And yes that would be relevant to a legal case but how much sharing goes on, with these things is open to question. I was under the impression that verdicts were made based on the evidence presented and after that things could not be added. So in theory a verdict would be made and then on appeal you'd have to throw all the bollocks on top of that or a separate charge of something like perjury laid after the fact.

I could be wrong on that mind.

Never interrupt when your political opponent is busy making mistakes...

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