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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bristol University bans public from feminist event with Stonewall-critical lawyer

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:16

The University of Bristol has banned the public from a feminist society’s event with a lawyer critical of the contentious charity Stonewall.

A group of students invited Akua Reindorf KC, a commissioner at the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), to campus for a panel discussion with leading lawyers about protecting women’s rights.

But bosses at the leading Russell Group institution imposed a series of strict conditions, including that it “be limited to staff and students only on the grounds of health and safety and the deterrence of public disorder”.

Women Talk Back, the feminist society behind the debate, was also ordered to pay £340 towards half of the security costs and told it must have “an experienced chairperson”, which left the group on the brink of axing the event.
Instead, the Free Speech Union has intervened to fund a new venue off campus under its Mctaggart donor fund.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/bristol-university-bans-public-feminist-144657670.html

Bristol University bans public from feminist event with Stonewall-critical lawyer

The University of Bristol has banned the public from a feminist society’s event with a lawyer critical of the contentious charity Stonewall.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/bristol-university-bans-public-feminist-144657670.html

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AmuseBish · 29/04/2023 18:27

Wait, what? This was going to go ahead yesterday I thought. So anyone not a student/ staff was turned away?

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:28

Statement from Women Talk Back

https://twitter.com/WomenTalk_Back/status/1651989917147312137

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:30

So anyone not a student/ staff was turned away?

If you read the article linked in the OP you will see that the Free Speech Union stepped in and paid for an alternative venue.

Worth reading in full as not only did the BU want to ban the public but asked Let Women Speak to pay extra money.

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:31

As if the public were a threat, when the only threat is the spoilt TRA students.

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AmuseBish · 29/04/2023 18:33

Thanks, I read the article but it was worded as if a new venue would be a future thing: "Instead, the Free Speech Union has intervened to fund a new venue off campus under its Mctaggart donor fund." My mistake. Glad if it could go ahead but how underhand.

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:36

My mistake. Glad if it could go ahead but how underhand.

Oh no! you maybe right ... in which case even worse as no doubt many were already travelling to the event.

I did look at their twitter thread and there was nothing there alerting attendees of a problem.

Either way its a real shitty think to do.

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IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 18:58

Well hope I have got this right but it looks like from this twitter thread that it did go ahead - or is this another event?

https://twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1652020977906139161

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TheBiologyStupid · 29/04/2023 19:53

It looks from Sarah Philimore's thread that the venue was switched, unless I'm misreading her tweet saying, "Offering thanks to the Unitarians for being willing to host women"?

IwantToRetire · 29/04/2023 20:33

Yes I think that must be the one the Free Speech Union paid for.

Just disgusting behaviour by the University.

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Shelefttheweb · 29/04/2023 23:52

It seems a very ‘brave’ thing for the university to do - to blatantly discriminate against a leading human rights lawyer and commissioner of EHRC.

BettyFilous · 30/04/2023 00:11

Shelefttheweb · 29/04/2023 23:52

It seems a very ‘brave’ thing for the university to do - to blatantly discriminate against a leading human rights lawyer and commissioner of EHRC.

Good point.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/04/2023 00:41

Indeed, and the very person who wrote the report criticising the University of Essex for no-platforming gender-critical academics, one of whom was also on the panel yesterday. You really couldn't make up how stupid Bristol have been...

IwantToRetire · 30/04/2023 00:53

If only the rest of the world, and main stream media thought it was stupid.

Haven't seen much outrage in MSM.

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TheBiologyStupid · 30/04/2023 01:00

Yes, only the Telegraph so far - hopefully the Sunday Times and the Observer might cover it.

drhf · 30/04/2023 06:15

This event was organised By Women Talk Back, the feminist society which Raquel Rosario Sanchez founded and which Bristol Students’ Union tried to ban. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4735747-raquel-rosario-sanchez-has-won-her-case-against-bristol-students-union

(Not by Let Women Speak, as appears in a post above - understandable typo.)

A bold decision by the university indeed to try to restrict access to a talk organised by a society that only three months ago forced a settlement over its right to exist.

Raquel Rosario Sanchez has won her case against Bristol Students’ Union ! | Mumsnet

Another step on the road to restoring women's rights and free speech. The Telegraph report that Bristol's Students’ Union (SU) having previously "dis...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4735747-raquel-rosario-sanchez-has-won-her-case-against-bristol-students-union

drhf · 30/04/2023 06:16

”by Women Talk Back!”

Doh.

Motorcyclemptiness · 30/04/2023 07:05

Bristol Uni is a disgrace

severnboring · 30/04/2023 14:45

I went to this event on Friday, it had a lovely atmosphere and there was a professional and friendly male and female security team.
As at other such events, it was very jarring to realise that they are necessary.

I don't understand what the Uni was playing at at all - the Women Talk Back group have had loads of public events (been to a couple) at the university, featuring way more supposedly controversial speakers eg Julie Bindel.

The uni security didn't seem to have any issues dealing with the rather daft protestors that sometimes turned up, and everything was very orderly. That's their job after all!

The uni actively reversed their previous policy and told WTB they would turn away peaceful ticketholding members of the public but not intimidating masked protestors - hard to avoid the conclusion that it's vindictive following their victory over the student union.
It tells the protestors that they are right and that they have impunity - which is why we are where we are.

Well done to WTB for finding another venue where the public were welcome.
The uni has a massive influence on life in Bristol. receives public money etc, and their students have gone out with impunity to shut down women's meetings in the city that are nothing to do with them. God forbid women members of the public want to come in themselves though eh.

Akua Reindorf told us about about the legal fight to get the domestic exception for migrant workers in households declared unlawful. This loophole meant that it was legal not to pay domestic workers if they lived in a household - she said these women, who usually speak no English and have their passports taken, are effectively slaves. She told us about a horrific case where a woman was locked out of the house, with no money, and ended up sleeping on the front step - the family came and went, stepping over her. Eventually she went to sleep in a park, where she was gang raped. When she told the family they said she'd brought it on herself. AR said that these women are all around us, they are our sisters and they are truly the most marginalised and vulnerable.

She mentioned the charity Kalayaan who work to help these women. I'm going to set up a DD.

Alice de Coverley spoke about the huge range of issues facing girls in education - the omnipresent sexual harassment, the failure of SEND systems (hundered and hundreds of appeals listed every day) and CAMHS, boys into Andrew Tate, period poverty (although I'm not so sure about that one personally).

Liz McGlone and Amara Ahmad couldn't make it.

Local women involved in legal fights or other campaigns spoke instead:

Wendy Stephenson of Bad Policy Watch Bristol gave an outline of the TWAW TWAM motion passed by Bristol council and what it means. As Sarah Phillimore related in thread above:

''We asked the Mayor if a lesbian can have a penis. A non binary councillor shouted out ‘ask my wife’!! And Green Party Councillors fled the meeting.''

Sarah spoke herself about her work with Fair Cop and getting recorded illegally by the police.

Prof Jo Phoenix spoke about her legal fight against the Open University - she said she hadn't realised what was happening to her was illegal until she read the Reindorf Report whose author she was now sitting next to.

In the Q and A women in education and tech spoke about the discrimination and harassment they were facing at work.

Have to go out now! Hopefully can come back later with more detail - Sarah P's thread is great!

Shelefttheweb · 30/04/2023 14:55

So glad to hear the event went ahead and went well. Wish I could have been there.

morningtoncrescent62 · 30/04/2023 15:53

Why do these unis cave to a few bullies? If Bristol uni is worried about the threat of disorder, their response shouldn't be to ban a respected KC from giving a talk, or impose conditions they know can't be met. That's punishing the wrong people. Unis that cave in this way, like Edinburgh did earlier in the week, are part of the problem of the shutdown of debate, when they should be putting all their resources into being part of the solution. Disgraceful.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/04/2023 16:36

Very well said, mornington.

AmuseBish · 30/04/2023 18:30

Thanks severn for the summary!

IwantToRetire · 30/04/2023 20:10

@severnboring thanks for the summary

And can only wonder at the University reversing at the last minute a booking, particularly as Women Talk Back had been accepted by the SU.

Either they all live in a very tiny bubble where a tiny minority who do not reflect the wider community have too much power, or there are some very odd politics going on.

But also shameful that women have had to rely on someone like Toby Young to organise for the Free Speech Union to hire the alternative event.

I hope WTB got their money returned by the university, and if there was any justice compensation.

What an example to set their students.

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severnboring · 02/05/2023 11:16

Raquel did a really good interview with Andrew Doyle explaining what went on:

https://twitter.com/8RosarioSanchez/status/1652793581189357570

Also check out the tweet below it! The uni hosted Mermaids in a fully-funded partnership conference, open to the public in 2019.

So dodgy child sex change charities are fine, feminist KCs and EHRC commissioners not so much....

AND the uni have sneakily taken down the Mermaids page! They ought to publicly explain why.

It's archived: https://twitter.com/8RosarioSanchez/status/1653010960578224131

https://twitter.com/8RosarioSanchez/status/1652793581189357570

severnboring · 02/05/2023 11:21

Previous thread about the Bristol Uni conference - they also hosted Johanna Olson Kennedy and presumably paid to fly her over from California.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3542000-Johanna-Olson-Kennedy-visiting-Professor-at-Bristol-University

The Olson Kennedy link on the uni page in that thread is also down!!
What are they ashamed of?

You can still search for her on the uni site.

Johanna Olson-Kennedy visiting Professor at Bristol University | Mumsnet

*Medico-Legal Responses to Transgender Children: Towards a Model of Gender Affirmation?* *25 March - 9 April 2019* *Biography‌* ^Professor Ol...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3542000-Johanna-Olson-Kennedy-visiting-Professor-at-Bristol-University