Transgender Loopholes

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As some one who recently working in Education…

I find this deeply disturbing: see the section on Transgender.

https://www.gov.uk/request-copy-criminal-record

Extract:
“Transgender applicationsContact the DBS transgender applications team if you’re a transgender applicant and you do not want to reveal details of your previous identity to a potential employer.”

The ability of anyone to ‘hide their past’ as part of an application to with young and vulnerable people, is an unnecessary risk.

They can hide the "identity" under which previous crimes were committed but not the actual crimes. Previous crimes will be recorded under the new "identity".

There are still HUGE problems with this though. See KPSS report on DBS:

https://kpssinfo.org/reports/

Of course the crimes are only recorded against the new identity as long as there’s some reliable mechanism to link the two. Trusting paedophiles to tell the police about their new identity? What could possibly go wrong

After Ian Huntley murdered Jessica and Holly the previous failings were the basis for the CRB system to be set up.

20 years on, those same failings are back in the guise of progression.

It's not a matter of hiding who they truly are - it's so they can't be deadnamed and doxxed.

Yes, because not "deadnaming" criminals is what's important here.

Dead naming and doxxing paedophiles and sex offenders seems proportionate to me.
Safeguarding children should be the priority - not the demands of adults who claim to be the opposite sex.

Your criminal record isn't scrubbed when you change your gender/name. I want what you're smoking!! It's not a get out of jail free card! It means your tax records are sealed with HMRC. That's it. Logic has left this thread completely.

I don't care.

I don't care about the privacy or the special identities of people who have committed horrible crimes.

They should receive exactly the same treatment as people without special identities who have committed horrible crimes.

Can you read or not?

CHANGING YOUR NAME OR GENDER DOESN'T MEAN YOUR CRIMES ARE SCRUBBED. THEY STAY WITH YOU. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE CRIMES.

Did that help?

No, it doesn't help.

I am objecting to people with special identities getting to opt out of rules which apply to the rest of us, and are there to protect children and vulnerable people.

From the KPSS report linked by a pp -

'The DBS grants enhanced privacy rights to those who change their gender when changing their identity. These are exceptional rights that are only granted to individuals in this group. The result is that identify verification is compromised, meaning there is no guarantee that the information returned during the check and displayed on the certificate will be accurate or complete'.

Won't someone think of the paedophiles?????

So if you apply for a DBS in your new name, with new ID documents showing your new name and neglect to tell the DBS when asked about any former name, they can magically link you to crimes committed in your former name?

How do they do that?

They will only be linked if the individual rings the special helpline to provide their previous name, this isn't about paying for their crimes it is about safeguarding children and vulnerable people. It is a massive loophole.

Did that help?

Google is free.

And individuals who don't have a GRC?

But officers are not allowed to ask a detainee if they have a GRC, so how will they know (apparently it is impossible to tell a TW apart from a woman)

Also, the police can and the police will are two different things so your google search doesn't fill me with confidence

And Whitefires search shows that the police records in the former name won't show on a DBS check. What could possibly go wrong?

The information is transferred to the new name. Why would you need to ask for a GRC if the information is already in front of you? This really isn't that difficult of a concept, get tripped up on one word if you want, I really don't care 😂🤦‍♀️

But how do the police know if you've changed your name? Genuine question - I'm clearly being a bit slow on the uptake here. What if you haven't been in police custody since the name change?

Why do they need to know if you've changed your name though? I'm really curious why that matters at all? Would that change anything? And I'm asking genuinely, too! I know it's hard to read tone 😅

If you change your name and are later arrested, it would go under your current name, along with all of your previous convictions. If you change your name and have a criminal background using your deadname, it will show up in a criminal background check under your new name. Hope that helps!

Here's a screenshot from the KPSS report.

It's predicated on the person honestly answering the fields of 'any previous names'. The enhanced privacy option is optional. If someone doesn't go down that route, does not disclose that they have been known by previous names and have identification in their new name (i.e. have a re-issued birth certificate), then it creates a loophole.

If you're on this thread and you haven't read the KPSS report then you need to read it.

thathuman

The way I see it is this. Imagine 'John Smith' has a series of convictions that would show up on a DBS check, so changes his name (and perhaps also, but not necessarily his gender) to Alex Jones.
He gets a new driving license and/or passport in his new name and has utility bills in his new name to back up his new identity.
He keeps out of trouble in his new name and applies for a DBS certificate in his new name.
There are no records of crime against Alex Jones and when he applies for the DBS, he does not disclose his former name.
Yes, it is a criminal offence, but he is not exactly the salt of the earth, having been convicted prior to changing his name.
How is he linked to his former crimes?