Horrific case report after genital surgery *TW distress*

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This link has been shared by @FOJN on the Marci Bowers thread but I feel the person involved deserves to be remembered and for the horrific injuries inflicted on them in the name of so called medical care to be known more widely so that when this house of cards finally falls these doctors are held to account.

If you read the journal article be warned there are graphic medical images at the end.

For those who cannot, this is a case report of the death of an 18 year old from complications after genital surgery. They died from overwhelming infection originating from their own bowel which was used to create a facsimile of a vagina after puberty blockers and cross sex hormones meant they didn’t have enough penile tissue to use.

Necrotising fasciitis is one of the worst post operative complications I have ever seen and this young person, just legally an adult had 60% of the body area of their skin and subcutaneous tissue removed to try and treat it.

The article lists serious surgical complications as 0.6% or roughly 1 in 200 patients. That’s about the same as the failure rate of a vasectomy and 5x higher than the most serious complication (perforation of the womb) when fitting contraceptive coils.

I am here in tears having read this case, knowing the suffering this young person will have been through. They deserve to be remembered.

Crikey. Can I just ask how that works? The skin has been removed from the 'conveyor belt' that food travels along, right?

So no food is touching these cells?

How did the cells know to start lubricating when someone eats and food touches the skin in a different part of the body?

So, like, look. I'm not a doctor. Hopefully one will be along shortly to explain it better but basically...

Different cell structure in the body are evolved and designed to do certain things. Just because you have fancy pronouns, a trans flag, and persuade a greedy doctor to put a piece of colon into a wound between your legs, does not mean that the colon cells will get the memo. the colon cells, for want of a better word, are Terfs. They just keep blithely existing in reality, doing their colon thing, lubricating when they 'sense' food has entered the alimentary canal. They do not magically start doing vagina things just because they've been moved somewhere.

For example. Have you ever met anyone with a skin graft ? My ex had a skin graft on his thumb with skin take from his thigh. It still grew thigh type hair. It didn't stop being thigh skin just because it was now on its thumb. That's the best way to think about it.

TLDR: the body observes reality and is a total transphobe. Bigot!

Another useful piece of info is that the colon does not just sit thre waiting to be fashioned into a smelly neovagina. It actually does lots of very important things. And if you remove say, 20% of it, you now have less colon. And that causes loads of digestive problems, up to and including ending up with a colostomy bag.

Going back up the thread a bit, has anyone looked into the cognitive impacts of puberty blockers? Because I have seen suggestions (on here) that blocking puberty not only interferes with the development of the genitals, but also with the development of the brain. So even if a regular 18 year old could make an informed decision (putting aside the issue of whether or not that information is being offered fully by surgeons) - would an 18-year-old who has had puberty held back, have the same capacity as an un-puberty-blocked peer?

Gut physiology is horrendously complicated - I'm a doctor and I only understand about 0.01% of it. But I think the key will be that mucus production is under hormone control so, as long as those hormones are still reaching the 'vaginal' gut via the bloodstream, the gut cells will still produce mucus. Many gut hormone levels surge in response to eating.

This is a more detailed explanation of how gut mucus production works.

Thank you @MissLucyEyelesbarrow for your infinitely more scientific and intelligent explanation :-)

And another point, if I might make it. If lots of trans people also have autism are they actually as emotionally mature. My 26 year old with ASD is incredible intellectually, but he sometimes lags behind on the emotional intelligence front. So would an 18 year old really not be several years behind and therefore not thinking it through?

But yeah, this seems a tremendously risky procedure. My DH has had tol have bowel surgery twice; I looked up the risks at the time of the first one , and I was terrified. He lost more than 20% of his bowel admittedly, but no question it affect him to this day in terms of what he can eat etc.

But it was worth it because he had a condition that would kill him otherwise . I am really horrified that people with gender dysphoria feel these drastic steps are needed in ordee for them to survive - but that's a whole other conversation isn't it.

Different cell structure in the body are evolved and designed to do certain things. Just because you have fancy pronouns, a trans flag, and persuade a greedy doctor to put a piece of colon into a wound between your legs, does not mean that the colon cells will get the memo. the colon cells, for want of a better word, are Terfs.

I also understand that should colon cancer develop, it is just as likely to be in the repositioned section of colon as the remaining colon. It's still colon and can still get colon cancer.
I believe it was Marci B that mentioned this.

That is just my best guess - definitely don't take it as gospel!

Just putting this here for the curious. Probably not if you're still eating your lunch.

Microflora of the penile skin-lined neovagina of transsexual women - PMC

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

And of course the 'function' of the vagina, apart from accommodating the male sexual organ to conceive a pregnancy, in one direction - is the passage of both menstrual blood, and a baby, in the other.

I cannot for the life of me see why talking therapy designed to help someone come to terms with the “disappointment” of not being a woman should thought of as somehow unspeakably awful, but surgeries like this are thought of as perfectly okay.

Many people with mental health issues, and awful situational issues from abuse to eating disorders to bereavement, are in need of therapy to help them come to terms with trauma and loss in life. Why somehow this is considered verboten in the case of gender identity disorders, is mystifying when the outcomes of these awful surgeries are hardly a preferable alternative solution.

It’s barbaric, and so ignorant on the part of the self-righteous gender warriors pushing treatments and outcomes they know nothing about. Every teenager high on the virtue signalling of gender ideology should have to look at and read some of this stuff to see what the reality of this fraudulent, damaging nonsense is.

If I said I was the Queen of Sheba you wouldn't go along with it no matter how much I asserted that it was the truth. No matter how many times I told you to address me as such or treat me as a monarch. Because you would understand that I was delusional and would seek to find a cure. Somehow we have become sucked into the delusion that a man can become a woman and that it's unkind to suggest that leaving the body as it is but seeking to change thoughts might be best. And wear a dress if you want.

@myveryownelectrickitten Spot on

Going back up the thread a bit, has anyone looked into the cognitive impacts of puberty blockers?

I don't recall the state of the human research - I believe it's thin to non-existent - but there has been some animal research. This from the Economist, via Maria McLachlan's site

Several legal cases have been brought against drug firms by adults who took puberty blockers for precocious puberty. They allege cognitive deficits, brittle bones and chronic pain in later life, though none has made it to court.

Animal studies suggest such concerns may be worth investigating. One 2017 study looked at sheep, which go through a developmental spurt similar to human adolescence. Sheep given puberty-blockers performed worse than controls on a maze-navigation task, suggesting their spatial memory was inferior. A 2020 paper looking at mice found, among other things, that females given puberty blockers were more timid in unfamiliar environments, and gave up sooner on a “forced swim” test that is commonly used to assess whether anti-depressants work.

A bit more on the sheep study in a thread here by Malcolm Clark.

https://twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1552720563772293120

Thanks @NecessaryScene , that's interesting and potentially very depressing 😕

@ValerieDoonican and @NecessaryScene

There was a class action lawsuit in the US in the mid-2000s. Half a dozen women suing a big pharma company which made the puberty blockers which they had been put on for premature puberty.

In their case they said the blockers had left them with osteoperosis, infertiility, constant pain, stunted growth and cognitive difficulties.

They were on the blockers for an average of 6 months each.

trans children are on them for typically 3 - 4 years.

Go to r/mtf and search using the term 'fistula'. It's devastating what they go through, especially these poor kids who were on blockers.

Why somehow this is considered verboten in the case of gender identity disorders, is mystifying when the outcomes of these awful surgeries are hardly a preferable alternative solution.

It is less mystifying when you realise that the roots of the current MtF transgender trend is fetishism.

These are men whose fetish is to be penetrated 'like a woman'. So counselling will not satisfy them nor will plastic surgery to the external genitalia only. Their obsession is with achieving a 'functioning vagina', like what they see in the sissy fetish porn to which they are addicted.

These men were understood as having a fetish for decades. It's only in the last 10 years that they have managed to convince Western Governments and healthcare providers that trans is not a fetish but is a state of being. They have had to do this in order to get access to the fetish-satisfying surgery they desire.

In order to make this surgery seem as urgent as possible, they claim they will commit suicide if they do not get it. They have also invented a concept called the 'trans child', which previously did not exist, as until recently we knew perfectly well that children do not have sexual fetishes. Yet the creation of the 'trans child' was necessary to justify the fetishes of adult men and portray them as an innocent medical condition.

And so here we are, with children being stunted, mutilated and dying to satisfy the fetishes of adult men.

I was going to post this as well. It gave me the rage! Excuse me, how the hell does this have anything to do with biological women??! Attempting to justify this totally unethical and barbaric surgery by co-opting biological women into it and doing totally false equivalence. It's totally dishonest. No wonder these same people are happy to perform these surgeries! Lying and obfuscation of truth lies at the very heart of this. That's where it starts.

Attempting to justify this totally unethical and barbaric surgery by co-opting biological women into it and doing totally false equivalence.

Was it the DSM, or some insurance coverage document that surprised me by managing to square the circle that way.

Having decided that "gender dysphoria" was not a mental health condition, they wanted to still justify it being some sort of medical condition so it can get insurance coverage.

So what they settled on is it being a sexual development disorder. A man not having a woman's body (if he wants one) or a woman not having a man's body (if she doesn't want a woman's one) is denoted as them having "atypical" sexual features which need to be corrected. A girl who says she's a boy should be able to have her breasts removed under insurance because they're abnormal growths (for a boy), and a man who says he's a woman should be able to get a "vagina" installed because women are supposed to have vaginas.

I don’t see how this is published under paediatric and gynaecological medicine. The person subjected to this procedure was not a child, surely, or how could they consent?

I suppose the gynae is there as a destination.

This is exactly right.

Historically, men who had AGP were refused surgery and hormones, because the NHS wasn't about to finance a fetish.

As a result of transactivism, you now have transgender women, not transvestite men, and transsexual men.

Patently obvious fetishists have managed to use the ideology as a means to get the NHS to dispense with any gatekeeping.

When I first looked at this about eight years ago, there were lots of tips and tricks online telling men how to talk to their doctor in order to hide their fetish and pretend they were suffering from gender dysphoria.

Now, there is no hiding at all. It's completely in the open.

But 'trans' children are still necessary to prove that they have 'always felt this way'.

Ah, thank you Lucy, that makes sense. I always wondered why that piece of skin would still smell unpleasant, etc, given it was nowhere near food.

I also like ^potniatheron*'s explanation that it's just a terf!

One of the worst parts to me is those adult males who have their fully intact male genitals, in full working order, often have children and active sexual behaviours obviously important to them are advocating for surgery for children that will leave them deprived of all of these things.