The Women's Institute faces revolt ...

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I know this was mentioned recently on here, and the letter shared, but I can't find the thread.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11982451/Womens-Institute-faces-revolt-policy-allowing-transgender-members-join.html

AnythingToSay · Today 00:53

Well, you've beaten me to it, with a far more extensive list of "Gentle Souls."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992271/Now-trans-activist-boasts-violence-joins-Womens-Institute.html

This version of being transgender is a sort of publicly displayed sexual orientation (to the self), also requiring an element of public shock.

Not all TW are like this, but this person is not the innocent old TW type shown on the WI magazine cover.

They aren't different "types". One is just less hostile than the other.

does anyone actually here know any trans women?

Yes, I do.

I do not wish to share spaces with any of these people. I know many men who are 'gentle souls', but I do not wish to share women's spaces with them, either.

Hepwo· Today 09:31
They aren't different "types". One is just less hostile than the other.

I was thinking one version might be based on gender dysphoria and distress, while this seems something like having a sex obsessed porn persona identity wanting validation by the WI.

Though it seems true that allowing the one leads to the other.

does anyone actually here know any trans women?

Yes I do. And one of those transwomen thought it appropriate to ask my Mother for a pair of her underwear, saying that it was fine if used.

Honestly though, regardless of their character, I don't want them in women's spaces because they're male. I know some very nice men too. They still don't belong in Women's spaces.

I don’t understand why the WI is doubling down on this when it is clear that their female members are not happy. It may not affect all the branches but whenever there is man present it makes it a mixed space which women do not want. Resistance is now coming from all sides, while some of the media is still fawning over men who may or may not have had genital surgery, with little thought for any of us.

I can understand a company wanting a good credit score and I can understand institutional capture by the left.

The third sector must be captured also by left wing ideology.

My post got deleted. I'll try again.

The "innocent old TW type shown on the WI magazine cover" is a late-transitioning heterosexual male.

Similar to Debbie Hayton who wrote about it here:
https://debbiehayton.com/2022/05/16/my-autogynephilia-story/

"Women who join the Women's Institute presumably wanted a women'sgroup. Why can't they have that, even if it makes men sad?"

Same for all those men only golf clubs then?
It's not really the same as a domestic violence refuge or a rape crisis centre, is it? There's no real reason why it has to be just women.

Yes, men should be able to have men only golf clubs.

There are many reasons women enjoy hanging out in female only groups. Have you really never done so?

Well, apart from the vast majority of the members wanting it to be women only, of course.

It's not really the same as a domestic violence refuge or a rape crisis centre, is it? There's no real reason why it has to be just women.

The reason is that women want a women only association and that's a good enough reason.

Schedule 16 allows for that in the same way it allows for an over 60's club or a lesbian book club, or indeed a society that is only open to trans people.

"The reason is that women want a women only association and that's a good enough reason."

So it's a good enough reason for men only clubs? Men only Freemasons, etc.?

Yes, otherwise they'd be unlawful wouldn't they?

"There are many reasons women enjoy hanging out in female only groups. Have you really never done so?"

Yes, but by chance. I have male friends too. I wouldn't appreciate not being able to join my local golf club if I was female and a keen golfer.

I totally get things like women only gyms and spas where women can be physically vulnerable.

Another one expecting women to justify why they want to have a group that is just for them.

Why are you so against people of either sex having groups that are just for them?

In you world an Over 60's group should include the under 60's a group focusing on a particular disability should include those who don't have that disability, a group for a particular religion should include those not of that religion.

So there is a kids club near me. Should I be allowed to join? If not why not? Why is it so hard for some people to understand sometimes groups want their own spaces with people of the same sex, age, race, sexuality etc. not everything has to include everyone.

Freedom of association is a human right.

Yes, but by chance. I have male friends too. I wouldn't appreciate not being able to join my local golf club if I was female and a keen golfer.

Considering Golf Clubs do have men and women members this is a poor example.

I have male friends too - what a shock, I imagine most of us have you are not special or unique in having male friends - however, I still want activities, groups, etc., that are female only.

Reading this thread it's hard to believe we have moved on from Victorian times. And I thought I was old fashioned. Maybe people who don't/can't have children don't want to discuss breast feeding. Anyway trans peple are allowed to join if they are living as women.

@Viviennemary how does one “live as a woman”? Do please explain it to us? Or do we need a male with a trans identity we can learn from?

"In you world an Over 60's group should include the under 60's a group"

Usually people of any age can join age-based groups as the age is just an indication.

"Why are you so against people of either sex having groups that are just for them?"

I'm hardly the only person against men-only golf clubs. There have been court cases against them.