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WRN report on sex attacks in hospitals

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ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 09:18

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

'More than 6500 rapes and sexual assaults - some against children under 13 - have been committed in hospitals in England and Wales over nearly four years

Only 265 people (4.1 per cent) are known to have been charged for these offences.

The horrifying statistics - covering the lockdown period when hospitals were said to be more secure - reveal that at least 2088 rapes and 4451 sexual assaults (total: 6539) in hospitals were recorded by police forces in the UK since January 2019. One in 7 of the crimes - or 266 a year - occurred on hospital wards.

The figures have been uncovered by researchers at Women’s Rights Network who sent Freedom of Information (FoI) requests to 43 police forces in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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Front page Mail, mentioned on Telegraph front page.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11979529/Shocking-figures-reveal-6-500-sex-attacks-hospitals-just-three-years.html

WRN Hospital Report | Women's Rights Network | UK

More than 6500 rapes and sexual assaults - some against children under 13 - have been committed in hospitals in England and Wales over nearly four years Only 265 people (4.1 per cent) are known to have been charged for these offences.

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

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Felix125 · 17/04/2023 13:52

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/04/2023 12:33

That's really interesting, @Felix125 . It appears to be completely bonkers.
Is this why all sorts of nonsense is now being recorded as 'crimes'? Like, hurty feelings. And stickers.
One wonders who instructed this change to be made?
Perhaps this is an 'unintended consequence' of a well-intentioned change.
Maybe another category needs to be created for dubious/dodgy/trivial reports of crime?
Presumably this instruction would need to come from the 'top'. Whoever they are.

It still has to be a crime in law - so hurty feelings won't be crimed. It will have to have some substance to it - like harassment, mal comms, public order etc etc

But everything gets recorded - which pushes the figures up

For example - anonymous report of a fight on a street. Police arrive and nothing going on. In the past that would be written off - now it gets crimed

An argument between friends via text messages on a drunken night out which gets reported to police - next day everyone is friends again. Used to get written off. Now gets crimed twice, harassment & mal comms

Its about making it more transparent, so every allegation of a crime gets recorded. But it just causes a lot more bureaucracy

But, we should be able disclose to the public how each crime has been concluded - not just detected or not detected

Felix125 · 17/04/2023 13:53

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/04/2023 13:47

I think as a society we tend to put doctors on a pedestal at our own peril.
Healthy respect is ok but reverence is ill advised, unless genuinely earned.

Same with nurses - Allit & Letby spring to mind

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 14:01

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/04/2023 13:47

I think as a society we tend to put doctors on a pedestal at our own peril.
Healthy respect is ok but reverence is ill advised, unless genuinely earned.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11979789/DOMINIC-LAWSON-father-right-NHS-national-religion.html

People are very religious by nature it seems, like to worship institutions and people, making them sacred castes.

DOMINIC LAWSON: My father was right about the NHS being a religion

DOMINIC LAWSON: Should my father find himself memorialised in dictionaries of quotations, I know what those words will be: 'The NHS is the closest thing the English have to a religion.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11979789/DOMINIC-LAWSON-father-right-NHS-national-religion.html

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 14:09

Nor, as the director of the non-partisan Social Market Foundation, James Kirkup, wrote last week, that 'a medical career is a salary escalator that will carry many doctors to an income in retirement so big the Treasury is rewriting the law to accommodate medical pension pots worth £1 million'.

But these facts don't touch the real issue, which is about emotions. As my father pointed out, those working in the NHS are venerated, politicians aren't; and so the former will always be favoured over the latter in any disput

We should not venerate humans, be they someone trendy because of clothes, music, politics, lifestyle, intelligence, sporty, acting. Sales or career choice... yet it keeps happening.

It's good to not worship yourself, we shouldn't be worshipping institutions, the earth (not sure what the Extinction rebellion Vegans will eat soon as rice is environmentally bad as are almonds and avacados) animals or individuals.

ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 14:28

Well, we need to trust HCPs. We ought to be able to trust HCPs; it's not a question of 'venerating' them.

What is needed is a clear recognition of the risks of situations where you have vulnerable people, and plenty of checks, balances, and procedures in place to mitigate those risks.

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ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 14:29

One of the obvious, and necessary, safety nets being sex segregation within hospitals.

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IwantToRetire · 17/04/2023 17:05

Sorry haven't had time to read this thread, but had seen the report.

Just wanted to make the point that the research for the report further illustrates the complete self absorbed nonsense of the report that said single sex wards weren't the best support for trans people - thread about it here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4764040-genuinely-single-sex-wards-are-not-the-best-standard-of-care-for-all-and-in-particular-trans-and-non-binary-service-users-survey

Also, and this may just be me getting caught up in factionalism, was puzzled that today on their facebook page WPUK has posted about their comments on a Care Commission report and a C4 news report about violence in hospitals, execept they are all from 4 or 5 years ago. The cynic in me is thinking this a what is called the art of distraction in politics!

“Genuinely” single sex wards are not the best standard of care for all and in particular, trans and non-binary service users - survey | Mumsnet

Through desk-based research and a survey, led by a trans and non-binary researcher, we have asked the question: what are trans and non-binary people’s...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4764040-genuinely-single-sex-wards-are-not-the-best-standard-of-care-for-all-and-in-particular-trans-and-non-binary-service-users-survey

Slothtoes · 17/04/2023 17:18

This makes my blood run cold.
aweegc Flowers

Slothtoes · 17/04/2023 17:37

Anyway- horror aside, what shall/can we do? Write to MPs and ask for enquiry? I haven’t got time to read it immediately so if there’s any next steps in the report or if anyone has got ideas please do post them.

Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 17:42

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 13:41

Staff didn't strike to stop Annexe B, or reduce abuse of patients or visitors.

There are no signs reminding visitors or staff to not abuse service users are there?

I understand with the increase in AI there will only be a requirement for a small body of experts to fill out care plans to be carried out by practical staff and training up HCAs there won't be as many staff, the female staff will increase as pay goes down.

What?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/04/2023 17:47

Awful, unacceptable and a dreadful indictment of an NHS with Trusts that that openly work to place male sex offenders on wards with women.
Let's redirect some of the £££ millions spent on D & I into safety in hospitals. Stop the spending on pointless gesture politics / pronouns / rainbow lanyards / erasing accurate sex based language etc and redirect all that funding into effective measures to keep people safe in hospital.

First do no harm! Frankly they're hypocrites,.

Tinysoxx · 17/04/2023 18:11

I don’t care what sex the doctor is - I want the one who is most likely to cure me or my loved ones. I think it is right to have risk assessments in place and for that reason collect robust data on what’s going on in all institutions so that future risk assessments can be done relying on proper facts.

Thelnebriati · 17/04/2023 21:06

horror aside, what shall/can we do?

I think we should demand the NHS fulfils its responsibility to safeguard patients (adults as well as children), and provide a safe working environment for staff.

I'd also like to see police and the ONS recording the age and sex of both offenders and victims.

NHS staff shouldn't be the ones to decide if a rapist is reported to the police or prosecuted or not. IDK why the rate of prosecution is so low or why we should have to wait for the outcome of yet another bloody enquiry to get something done about this.

FannyCann · 17/04/2023 21:21

The determination of the MPTS NOT to strike off doctors guilty of inappropriate sexual behaviour certainly does T help improve public confidence.

"There is a public interest in facilitating the safe return to work of an otherwise competent doctor,' the tribunal concluded."

I think it's fair to say they are completely wide of the mark in their view of public interest. This man actually requested to be struck off,

"Instead he sent a statement in which he said: 'I will never practice medicine again, not for my genuine love of patients, but for my failures and mistakes in a younger period of my life.
'I recognise the harm this has caused and strongly advise the deciding body to strip me of my medical title.'
However, in ruling on a sanction, the panel decided not to strike off Dr White after hearing that his sexual misconduct was not of the most serious kind and imposed a 12 month suspension, instead.
'There is a public interest in facilitating the safe return to work of an otherwise competent doctor, so complete removal of Dr White's name from the medical register would not be proportionate,' it said.
'The Tribunal did not consider there is a significant risk of repetition of similar misconduct in view of Dr White's shame and concern for those impacted.'"

One of his victims voiced fears about what he may do in the presence of a sedated patient.

"One of the women - now a qualified doctor - told how his twisted behaviour, which took place over four years, had left her feeling 'violated' while another voiced fears about what he might do in the presence of a sedated patient."

The decision is really unfathomable, but I have seen other cases in the past where there has been what could be described as an excess of sympathy towards the perpetrator, resulting in a lenient decision.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866071/Sex-pest-doctor-allowed-job-public-interest.html

FannyCann · 17/04/2023 21:24

There's a BMJ article about the case here but I can't access the full text.

www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p669

nothingcomestonothing · 17/04/2023 22:52

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/04/2023 17:47

Awful, unacceptable and a dreadful indictment of an NHS with Trusts that that openly work to place male sex offenders on wards with women.
Let's redirect some of the £££ millions spent on D & I into safety in hospitals. Stop the spending on pointless gesture politics / pronouns / rainbow lanyards / erasing accurate sex based language etc and redirect all that funding into effective measures to keep people safe in hospital.

First do no harm! Frankly they're hypocrites,.

This. We will get nowhere until Annex B is binned and the pernicious influence of Stonewall et al is stripped out the of NHS.

I raised a concern about the trans inclusion policy at my local hospital (the usual, anyone who says they're a woman gets put in a women's bay, and staff will be disciplined if they don't lie to the other patients that there are only women present). I suggested that safeguarding is about assuming the worst and trying to prevent it, not taking everyone at their word and hoping for the best. The response was that the Trust were not aware of anyone identifying as a woman to be placed in a female bay for nefarious reasons, and they felt it was more important that 'they' (i.e., the trans identified males) didn't feel discriminated against. So there we are then, women's safety, privacy and dignity are less important than males not getting hurt feelings. Gender ideology is firmly imbedded in the NHS, and will have to be explicitly and deliberately removed if women are ever to be safe in hospital.

Roadtrips · 18/04/2023 07:54

Yet is isn't removed and tbe NHS is so sexist it's female staff are on board with gaslighting, fanricating, failing to safeguard and inducing illness from strikes and Annexe B for £.

Bosky · 18/04/2023 14:45

Roadtrips · 18/04/2023 07:54

Yet is isn't removed and tbe NHS is so sexist it's female staff are on board with gaslighting, fanricating, failing to safeguard and inducing illness from strikes and Annexe B for £.

Steady on, Simon!

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