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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WRN report on sex attacks in hospitals

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ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 09:18

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

'More than 6500 rapes and sexual assaults - some against children under 13 - have been committed in hospitals in England and Wales over nearly four years

Only 265 people (4.1 per cent) are known to have been charged for these offences.

The horrifying statistics - covering the lockdown period when hospitals were said to be more secure - reveal that at least 2088 rapes and 4451 sexual assaults (total: 6539) in hospitals were recorded by police forces in the UK since January 2019. One in 7 of the crimes - or 266 a year - occurred on hospital wards.

The figures have been uncovered by researchers at Women’s Rights Network who sent Freedom of Information (FoI) requests to 43 police forces in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
'

Front page Mail, mentioned on Telegraph front page.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11979529/Shocking-figures-reveal-6-500-sex-attacks-hospitals-just-three-years.html

WRN Hospital Report | Women's Rights Network | UK

More than 6500 rapes and sexual assaults - some against children under 13 - have been committed in hospitals in England and Wales over nearly four years Only 265 people (4.1 per cent) are known to have been charged for these offences.

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

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Felix125 · 17/04/2023 12:32

nilsmousehammer
As to having 'no say' - you may not have been asked your preference on the assumption if you hadn't raised a need to be met there was no need to meet it. Did you state it? How did they respond to your request?

Very probably. I didn't raise it and i was not asked as to my preference. It was just the assumption that it wonder bother me either way.

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/04/2023 12:33

Felix125 · 17/04/2023 11:47

Pixiedust1234
More than 5,500 alleged sex crimes in UK schools were reported to police in the last three years, BBC figures show.

The crime recording standards changed during this time too

So now if a victim says they are a victim of a crime it gets recorded regardless of its outcome. Previously it could be 'not crimed' if it could be shown it has't happened.

Now you need overwhelming evidence to show a crime has not happened to not record it as a crime.

That's really interesting, @Felix125 . It appears to be completely bonkers.
Is this why all sorts of nonsense is now being recorded as 'crimes'? Like, hurty feelings. And stickers.
One wonders who instructed this change to be made?
Perhaps this is an 'unintended consequence' of a well-intentioned change.
Maybe another category needs to be created for dubious/dodgy/trivial reports of crime?
Presumably this instruction would need to come from the 'top'. Whoever they are.

Bosky · 17/04/2023 12:35

Share Token for The Times

Hospitals report 33 rapes and sex assaults a week
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e13c7618-dcb9-11ed-a0a8-657f9e54fc6a?shareToken=0626f0cf4d7a01a6fa47eb9dea69a397

Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 12:36

I expect it'll get even worse with staff shortages. I went to visit a friend recently who was in one of the newer hospitals with private rooms- fab for privacy and stuff but I was there for 2 hours and not one member of staff came to check in; the door couldn't be locked and it wasn't anywhere near the reception desk or any sort of regularly manned area. Anyone could have gone in, I felt very vulnerable even as a visitor who wasn't stuck to the bed. Obviously wards with curtain cubicles and especially mixed wards have their own risks; but having scarce staff gives more opportunity.

Bosky · 17/04/2023 12:43

RiktheButler · 17/04/2023 12:09

100% thus. Surely this is an NHS scandal and they should be looking into it. Not sure why the Police appear to be getting blamed for the NHS failing to keep their hospitals even vaguely safe

It's not that the Police are being blamed, it's that it's just the easiest way to get at the stats for reported rapes and sexual assaults.

Then it will be possible to follow up with hospitals to find out what they have on record. Reports to the Police should be recorded as Serious Untoward Incidents.

There may be others not reported to the police. Or reported by the victim and denied by the hospital - as with the woman who was raped and the hospital told the police it could not have happened because there were "no men on the ward". There was a male patient but staff had been told that they had to protect his "privacy" as one of those women with penises. CCTV a year later confirmed that the rape had taken place.

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 12:49

As soon as someone - and I'm afraid to say it, but it largely applies to males - appears safe, either because of their job or environment, they actually become potentially some of the most dangerous. This applies to church leaders, police etc but with the people who are actively involved in saving our lives, this "cloak of safety" becomes even stronger.

This.

CoffeeWithCheese · 17/04/2023 12:49

Pluvia · 17/04/2023 09:59

Congratulations to the women of the WRN for carrying all this out. It's scandalous.

I have an outlying family member whose daughter is a nurse in Cornwall. She has talked of the chaos of Covid, during which a strange man, dressed in scrubs and mask, walked into her hospital and was caught loitering on a women's ward with mainly older and some confused patients. He escaped before the police arrived and was impossible to identify.

I work in the NHS (in a community role) and my Trust took bloody forever getting my ID card done - to the point I ended up raising it as high up as I could as a raging security risk to get the bloody thing issued. We worked around it with me emailing homes from my NHS mail and then backing my identity up via other ID - but it is bloody terrifying just how much people will automatically trust you if you're wearing a healthcare tunic or scrubs.

Bosky · 17/04/2023 12:55

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/04/2023 12:33

That's really interesting, @Felix125 . It appears to be completely bonkers.
Is this why all sorts of nonsense is now being recorded as 'crimes'? Like, hurty feelings. And stickers.
One wonders who instructed this change to be made?
Perhaps this is an 'unintended consequence' of a well-intentioned change.
Maybe another category needs to be created for dubious/dodgy/trivial reports of crime?
Presumably this instruction would need to come from the 'top'. Whoever they are.

Interview about rape stats and CJS process, Luke Gittos interviewed on Triggernometry - and a response to Gittos:

Is Rape Culture a Dangerous Myth?
19 April 2020

Luke Gittos is a solicitor practising criminal law. He is also legal editor for Spiked and author of two books:

  • Human Rights - Illusory Freedom: Why We Should Repeal the Human Rights Act
  • Why Rape Culture is a Dangerous Myth: From Steubenville to Ched Evans

Rape culture and the crisis of intimacy
A new book warns of the threats posed by the obsession with rape.
28 Aug 2015
https://www.spiked-online.com/2015/08/28/rape-culture-and-the-crisis-of-intimacy/

Denying rape culture: A response to Luke Gittos
Stiebert, J (2018) Denying rape culture: A response to Luke Gittos. Women's Studies Journal, 32 (1/2). pp. 63-72. ISSN 1173-6615

Abstract
The concept of rape culture has been firmly established in feminist discourse since the 1970s. This paper examines and challenges the arguments of rape culture deniers, with particular emphasis on one prominent UK representative, Luke Gittos, author of Why rape culture is a dangerous myth: From Steubenville to Ched Evans (2015). This article argues that Gittos’ case affirms rather than denies the toxicity and ubiquity of rape culture.

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/138714/8/Johanna%20Stiebert%20FINAL.pdf

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 12:55

Felix125 · 17/04/2023 11:07

nilsmousehammer

I agree - as a male patient of various procedures, vasectomies etc - I had no say in it at all - and it was an all female team that did both procedures.

Perhaps you could look at single sex hospitals for both staff & patients

This is the answer.

I remember Lib fems insisting on bringing in random men to maternity wards overnight. Another irrational luxury beliefs.

Bosky · 17/04/2023 13:02

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 12:55

This is the answer.

I remember Lib fems insisting on bringing in random men to maternity wards overnight. Another irrational luxury beliefs.

Women-only hospitals were deliberately phased out. The Elizabeth Garrett Anderson Hospital was forced to take male midwives in the 1970s.

WRN report on sex attacks in hospitals
FemaleAndLearning · 17/04/2023 13:16

Thanks for share tokens.

TuesdayJulyNever · 17/04/2023 13:18

There’s a danger in pushing for single sex wards, that women’s care and standards would suffer.

Hospital wards here are based on the equipment and expertise - if you’ve a problem with your heart you need to be on the ward with that specialism.

If you have two wards, isn’t it inevitable that the latest, greatest cutting edge equipment goes to the male side? Or do you not upgrade because there isn’t money for two life saving devices in this years budget? Or if there’s a spare bed on the men’s ward but not on the women’s you turn away a patient you could potentially save?

I don’t know what the solution is. I think there was a lot to be said for the days when middle aged matron dragons ruled over their wards and terrified all but the most senior consultants.

But we need a solution that protects the vulnerable and holds up under strained budgets and austerity.

TuesdayJulyNever · 17/04/2023 13:19

@aweegc I’m so sorry for what happened to you Flowers

RoyalCorgi · 17/04/2023 13:21

I've long been convinced that a minority of doctors and, for that matter nurses, are in the job because it gives them access to vulnerable people. Keep an eye open in the media for stories about doctors convicted of raping female patients - once you're alert to it, you'll start seeing them everywhere.

Although women are far less likely to be sexual predators, I do think that some women go into health care so they can bully and harm patients, unfortunately.

ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 13:39

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/sanction-doctors-sexual-misconduct-b2015338.html

From last Feb.

'Nearly 150 doctors have been disciplined for sexual misconduct in the last five years, as surgeons call for action on the “systemic” and “cultural” problem of sexual assault within healthcare,'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/metoo-moment-for-nhs-as-female-surgeons-speak-out-qzw3tbs56

The paper quoted:

https://publishing.rcseng.ac.uk/doi/full/10.1308/rcsbull.2021.106

This is research into a specific aspect of sexual assault within one part of healthcare. (Sexual assault and harassment among staff within surgery).

Sanctions of 150 doctors for sexual misconduct is ‘tip of the iceberg’

Exclusive: Doctors reporting allegations to regulator are being ‘failed’, campaigning doctor has warned

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/sanction-doctors-sexual-misconduct-b2015338.html

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Villagetoraiseachild · 17/04/2023 13:41

Bring back middle aged matron dragons....

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 13:41

Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 12:36

I expect it'll get even worse with staff shortages. I went to visit a friend recently who was in one of the newer hospitals with private rooms- fab for privacy and stuff but I was there for 2 hours and not one member of staff came to check in; the door couldn't be locked and it wasn't anywhere near the reception desk or any sort of regularly manned area. Anyone could have gone in, I felt very vulnerable even as a visitor who wasn't stuck to the bed. Obviously wards with curtain cubicles and especially mixed wards have their own risks; but having scarce staff gives more opportunity.

Staff didn't strike to stop Annexe B, or reduce abuse of patients or visitors.

There are no signs reminding visitors or staff to not abuse service users are there?

I understand with the increase in AI there will only be a requirement for a small body of experts to fill out care plans to be carried out by practical staff and training up HCAs there won't be as many staff, the female staff will increase as pay goes down.

YouJustDoYou · 17/04/2023 13:43

"That's the hallmark of vulnerability - absence and lack of recording of data"

And also deliberate innaccuracy - for example, when NHS tell police "no males were on the ward at the time of the alleged rape", when in reality they had let a transwomen in who had then gone on to rape a female patient.

YouJustDoYou · 17/04/2023 13:44

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/04/2023 13:41

Bring back middle aged matron dragons....

Experienced matrons who can keep a ward functioning under their no-nonsense eye. My mum was a nurse and said you daren't cross the matron, was a travesty when they got rid of them.

ArabeIIaScott · 17/04/2023 13:44

November 2022:

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/28/nhs-must-urgently-investigate-byline-times-disturbing-figures-on-rape-and-sex-assault-in-hospitals-says-shadow-health-secretary/

'An investigation by this newspaper has shockingly unearthed that 4,100 patients, visitors and NHS staff were raped (1,364) or sexually assaulted (at least 2,744) in a hospital setting between January 2019 and September 2022 – with 633 raped or assaulted while on a hospital ward. At least three of the incidents were against a female child aged under 13.
Data from 31 police forces in England and Wales based on reported rapes and assaults revealed the scale of sexual violence within hospital settings, with victims including patients and staff members. '

...
'In the same time period analysed, there were 36,879 mixed-sex accommodation breaches across the NHS. Mixed-sex hospital wards were banned by Andrew Lansley in 2010, with the NHS Operating Framework for 2012-2013 confirming that all providers of NHS-funded care are expected to eliminate mixed-sex accommodation.'

NHS Must ‘Urgently Investigate’ Byline Times’ ‘Disturbing’ Figures on Rape and Sex Assault in Hospitals, Says Shadow Health Secretary – Byline Times

Sascha Lavin and Sian Norris expose the frighteningly high levels of sexual violence in spaces designed for safety and care – hospitals

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/28/nhs-must-urgently-investigate-byline-times-disturbing-figures-on-rape-and-sex-assault-in-hospitals-says-shadow-health-secretary

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Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 13:44

RoyalCorgi · 17/04/2023 13:21

I've long been convinced that a minority of doctors and, for that matter nurses, are in the job because it gives them access to vulnerable people. Keep an eye open in the media for stories about doctors convicted of raping female patients - once you're alert to it, you'll start seeing them everywhere.

Although women are far less likely to be sexual predators, I do think that some women go into health care so they can bully and harm patients, unfortunately.

Yes it seems so.

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 13:46

YouJustDoYou · 17/04/2023 13:44

Experienced matrons who can keep a ward functioning under their no-nonsense eye. My mum was a nurse and said you daren't cross the matron, was a travesty when they got rid of them.

What was the timeline regarding Savile?

Villagetoraiseachild · 17/04/2023 13:47

I think as a society we tend to put doctors on a pedestal at our own peril.
Healthy respect is ok but reverence is ill advised, unless genuinely earned.