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Jordan Peterson interviews Miriam Grossman about the transing of children

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Coyoacan · 14/04/2023 15:11

A psychologist and psychiatrist speaking out against the transing of children. This is great

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Rockingcloggs · 15/04/2023 09:03

I really like Jordan Peterson and I agree with hell of a lot of the things he says.

TurkishClouds · 15/04/2023 09:05

Floisme · 15/04/2023 08:59

I think that, if you see a post about an interview with a woman and your first thought is not about what she might have to say but about the man interviewing her, then maybe you should stop and have a think about the meaning of 'misogynistic'.

This with bells on 😊

NotRightNowNo · 15/04/2023 09:07

I agree that JP is thought provoking. I like his depth of thought, and his viewpoints have expanded mine. Its good to listen to well considered arguments even if you don't have much in common with the person or agree with everythingthey say. He is well read and I believe he has integrity.This is a really fascinating interview.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2023 10:12

Coyoacan · Today 05:24
I didn't like Peterson but he is great in this video which is mainly about Miriam Grossman's views on the transitioning of children.

I'm getting a bit sick of all this manipulation of purity spirals

I agree. It has happened in another thread where a brave mother is speaking out about her daughter’s ROGD and how they finally escaped the indoctrination - apparently the platform is wrong. Meanwhile a possibly US transman has dominated the whole thread with their ideas about the need to affirm the gender identities of children while co-opting and pairing US abortion issues.

This purity works is working as a shut down. The people who issue the purity decrees are like teenagers who are angry with their parents and will only do the opposite of what their parents say regardless of their own best interests.

Thank you for posting this interview with this knowledgeable woman, OP.

purplepencilcase · 15/04/2023 10:16

Binfluencer · 15/04/2023 02:56

@DemiColon

Ummm. You have access to google right? He's a rampant misogynist

He's really not. Try listening to him properly.

purplepencilcase · 15/04/2023 10:19

I'm a woman (obvs) and Jordan Peterson is one of very few people who cut through the crap and talks actual sense. I think he's excellent, highly intelligent and very thorough in his viewpoints.

WithIcePlease · 15/04/2023 10:25

I like listening to JP. Thought provoking and eloquent. I agree that he has integrity. In some clips he is almost tearful with his depth of feeling.

turbonerd · 15/04/2023 10:32

rabbitwoman · 15/04/2023 08:56

I do know his opinions on women, because I listen to his podcasts and whenever he is interviewed by other people. Like many complex ideas, they do require a bit of context and he is, I am afraid, quite right on a lot of things. These may be truths that are hard to acknowledge, but frankly, most modern feminism only values equality in terms of what men value, ignoring the joy and fulfilment motherhood brings and how children should shape your life, not just fit in around fulfilling careers and accomplishments.

I also know what his opinions on women are reported to be by people who would like us to stop listening to him. There is quite a gap.

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I was positively surprised when I decided to look into JP a few years ago. That is embarassing for me, but I was very pleased to learn I agree with much of what he says.

My view has always been that we don’t need women to copy men to achieve equality, snd I would very much like to elevate the status of care work, food production and motherhood (& fatherhood as an important aspect of mens life too).

Because I am a tiny woman (4,8) I am very aware of my physiological disasvantages, and also that my Brain works just as well as any 6,2 male (my DH, as it happens).
I can throw a ball magnificently, park massive vans in tiny places and am excellent at reading Maps. The best at mowing the lawn, but unsurprisingly not very excellent at chopping wood because I am simply too week. I suck at any domestic chores but my DH is the pinnacle of tidy cleanliness.

What I have gathered from JP is that he is of the opinion that our dimorphic biology has afforded us different roles in society - many that we absolutely must challenge and some that just follow our biology . For example pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding (for those who are able).

Looking forward to seeing the videos now, and hopefully have something to say about them afterwards.

turbonerd · 15/04/2023 10:34

Not embarrassing to agree with him, but that I previously had just judged him from secondhand ingo to be an idiot rubble rouser.

Now if he could kick AT off tiktok it would be most welcome!

ReadersD1gest · 15/04/2023 10:35

Whatsnewpussyhat · 15/04/2023 03:02

He's a rampant misogynist

So is anyone who claims a man can be a woman.

👍

MarinaRhinella · 15/04/2023 11:23

Hoorah for Miriam Grossman, who understands the plight of we parents of trans-identified children. From about 15 minutes in the interview she talks about the life that I know only too well. We are devastated. We exist in the shadows, and as anonymous online entities, trying to avoid estrangement from our manipulated children. We commune with other parents in secret online meetings, sharing our grief and survival hints. This is not what I signed up for when I decided to have children. The world has gone mad.

DemiColon · 15/04/2023 12:11

Binfluencer · 15/04/2023 02:56

@DemiColon

Ummm. You have access to google right? He's a rampant misogynist

I've read quite a bit of his material, and I've watched some of his university classes as well as other interviews and lectures he's done.

He's not a misogynist at all, let alone rampant. I think he really likes women and in general he's pretty good at seeing things from their point of view.

Maybe you should try moving past asking google what to think.

DemiColon · 15/04/2023 12:15

MarinaRhinella · 15/04/2023 11:23

Hoorah for Miriam Grossman, who understands the plight of we parents of trans-identified children. From about 15 minutes in the interview she talks about the life that I know only too well. We are devastated. We exist in the shadows, and as anonymous online entities, trying to avoid estrangement from our manipulated children. We commune with other parents in secret online meetings, sharing our grief and survival hints. This is not what I signed up for when I decided to have children. The world has gone mad.

Yes, I thought that was really interesting, I think she is the first person I have heard talk about how families are being seriously traumatized by the way they are being treated, particularly by experts and authorities.

I on;y had to dip into all that a little, but the situation of having a child who was struggling, and knowing that there was no where I could access help that would be safe, or that institutions like her school were unsafe for her and were working against me, was incredibly horrifying.

Rockingcloggs · 15/04/2023 12:55

Binfluencer · 15/04/2023 02:56

@DemiColon

Ummm. You have access to google right? He's a rampant misogynist

No, he really isn't.

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Coyoacan · 15/04/2023 14:39

I must admit I had written him off after seeing a couple of interviews with him where he frequently used rhetorical slights of hand to duck out of uncomfortable questions. But that was years ago and his interview with Dr. Grossman is excellent. Now I will have to look at the other videos people are recommending. Interesting type of misogynist who is invites intelligent women onto his podcasts to let them have their say.

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ArcticSkewer · 15/04/2023 15:21

Very interesting interview.
For those deep in the purity spiral, JP barely talks in this.
It was very upsetting in parts, but good to see a strong woman standing up for children and families

4plusthehound · 15/04/2023 15:35

Floisme · 15/04/2023 08:59

I think that, if you see a post about an interview with a woman and your first thought is not about what she might have to say but about the man interviewing her, then maybe you should stop and have a think about the meaning of 'misogynistic'.

Bloody BRILLIANT!!

😂😂😁

Wanderingowl · 15/04/2023 16:03

Binfluencer · 15/04/2023 01:40

You know Jordan Peterson's views on women right OP?

We don't do that. Normal people don't need to agree with people on everything to recognise and appreciate when they make good points.

OriginalUsername2 · 15/04/2023 19:25

IOnlycreatedaccountforthispost · 15/04/2023 08:20

I like Jordan Peterson, he makes a lot of sense. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with absolutely everything he says. It’s a shame people are so opinionated when the chances are they have only seen snippets of his views (likely not in context) or read articles about him rather than making an informed and educated opinion on him by actually watching/listening to what he says.
I would have a lot more respect if somebody said that they had listen to five or six of his different speeches/talks and didn’t agree with anything he said.
It reminds me of the Johnny Depp opinions when half of the most opinionated people hadn’t even watched the trial!

Refreshing to read this. I’ve watched a few long interviews with all the “controversial” figures I come across that are apparently bad people. JP, Ben Shapiro, Katie Hopkins, Piers Morgan, Candice Owens, among others. I don’t see any of them as evil people in conclusion though they have all been “confidently wrong” and/or dickheads to others at times.

People live in bubbles of their own beliefs. If we only spend time listening to “people like us” we never understand the other side. The algorithms of our internet use just reinforce our own beliefs. I’m clearing my YouTube history a lot these days to reset the algorithms. You listen to one Katie Hopkins YouTube short and it thinks you’re a fan, flooding your recommendations 😫

deepwatersolo · 15/04/2023 20:17

Obviously, I would have preferred an upright Liberal to give Dr. Grossman a platform regarding her child transition critical views. But, alas, it was not to be…

Funny how they shut down all debate and then complain that people who want to discuss the issues end up on the wrong platform…

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DemiColon · 15/04/2023 22:06

Coyoacan · 15/04/2023 14:39

I must admit I had written him off after seeing a couple of interviews with him where he frequently used rhetorical slights of hand to duck out of uncomfortable questions. But that was years ago and his interview with Dr. Grossman is excellent. Now I will have to look at the other videos people are recommending. Interesting type of misogynist who is invites intelligent women onto his podcasts to let them have their say.

I'd really recommend his Maps of Meaning lectures on Youtube. They are interesting in themselves, not political, but they give a really good basis to understand where he's coming from in a lot of his political views, which is really from a clinical psychology POV.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2023 23:44

Februaryjane · Today 20:40
I like him and don't think he's a misogynist at all, he posted some fascinating insights on Chinese milking machines recently which really opened my eyes to what's going on over there that the MSM don't tell us about

Just incase you hadn’t realised since posting, that was a mistake on Peterson’s part: it turned out the milking wasn’t Chinese but from a made- in- the -U.K. fetish porn video.

SpicyMoth · 16/04/2023 02:50

Genuinely if you think JP is a rampant misogynist or really any type of misogynist, I'd really recommend taking the time to actually sit and listen to what he has to say.

Much like JKR, what he's said has been wildly misinterpreted and paraphrased into things so far from what he actually believes it's not even funny.