'"Petty Troll" burns Nike sports bra'

[SpicyMoth]

Do they lack the self awareness that they are literally doing the thing this woman accused them of doing, ie calling us names - Or do they just not care?

When you actually click on the article, the title then changes to "Woman burns Nike sports bra in pathetic protest over collab with trans TikToker Dylan Mulvaney".

So we're petty, we're trolls, and we're pathetic. Fab, thanks.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/13/dylan-mulvaney-nike-backlash/

She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.

‘Petty troll’ is an apt description.

Calling someone a "petty troll" or any other name, doesn't mean calling everyone who shares a single opinion with that person, a "petty troll".

Does it not extend to that when the article specifically goes on to talk about the pushback movement this woman tried/is trying to start and the people joining in with it though?

Women are now screeching scumbags if they object Dylan Mulvaney?

Even for you, that’s a new low.

Don't get me wrong, I don't personally like her approach, it's very loud and aggressive and not my style - But I also don't disagree with the core of the message.
I prefer Sharon Davies take on it generally if you've seen/heard it.

In her video (the one pink news is talking about) she literally said "they call us names" in relation to when women speak out, and their article's response is to call her names.
Proving her point.
That's what I was trying to get across, evidently unsuccessfully 🤐

You can object to whomever you want to … you can even object to me should you choose to.

But it was plainly obvious that I was specifically referring to the “scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.”

The performative outrage that this ‘petty troll’ is posting onto her social media reminds me of them.

@landOFconfusion do you mean you think Dylan mulvaney's prancing message 'look at me, im the most womanly woman ever, worship me!' is on a par with Colin Kaepernick's historical moment of not standing for the national anthem?!

I believe that is the unstated comparison we are supposed to make, yes.

One of the tired old techniques of arguing in bad faith is to rewrite the other person’s words, quote them out of context, and construct intentionally idiotic interpretations which you’ll claim that I ‘meant’ even though the actual meaning was clear.

Yes. You’re saying a woman objecting to Mulvaney reminds you of screeching scumbags. Ergo, you think she is also a screeching scumbag, otherwise why would she remind you of people you think are screeching scumbags?

Your misogyny is off the scale today.

It's not clear at all. You are saying that the people who don't agree with Nike that Mulvaney is the best person in all of the world to be the rep for their sports bras are the same as the bigoted racists who complained about Kaepernick being rightly used as a role model following his stance?
She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.
And of course as she's a female of course she's got that 'screeching' going on hasnt she... 🙄 tsk tsk.. when will we learn we need to just like what we're told to and not addle our little pink brains....🫠

And yet, you have not clarified that no, you didn’t mean to make that comparison at all.

Did you intend that comparison? Or are you now going to tell us that women are not hateful in any way for complaining that this male influencer’s advertising deal with Nike for female sportswear aimed at the female target market was poorly conceived. Particularly given what Mulvaney did was the exact stereotype that female people of all ages have been mocked with by male people since women have been allowed to do sports. I remember boys acting this way towards me and my classmates when we were about 8!

No woman or girl would have thought that was ever appropriate! Ever. And yet we are told we are exactly the same as males who have declared they are women. This one declares they are a ‘girl!’.

If you did not intend the comparison, just state the intention of your post and say that you did not think it through and that you don’t mean that women complaining about this are in any way hateful.

Indeed Michelle. Very easily cleared up.

A clear statement that it was not intended is all that was needed. The fact that all three posters since that post interpreted the post in that way would lead anyone to think… maybe my post had an unintended meaning and maybe rather than taking the opportunity to make out it was and ‘idiotic’ interpretation, I would reread and think, maybe, that others probably had a point.

Oh. Another bad faith argument.

I’m saying that this person reminds me of screeching scumbags I have observed on previously occasions. The fact that she is a woman was neither noted by me nor of any relevance to my observation.

Criticising a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist just as criticising a man doesn’t make me a misandrist. But you already know that because you’re arguing in bad faith…

She is a woman complaining about the representation of a male advertising female sports wear in the way Mulvaney did.

Her being a woman is very relevant to the discussion. It is actually the point!

Your post here doesn’t make your first any clearer.

Either you equate this woman as a scum bag for complaining about the way Nike has paid a male to act in an appalling stereotyped way that has been used to mock girls and women since we could compete in sport, or you don’t think she is a scum bag for complaining.

And if she isn’t, why say she reminds you of scumbags in the first place?

I also don’t see how Colin Kaepernick’s valid protest can be compared to Nike’s ad 🤔 it’s not the best analogy is it. Both actions have created a protest so surely they’re the actions being compared to each other too.

Aw no wims! Maybe it was that someone has interpreted her protest as ‘performative’ and that she could not possibly be really complaining about a male performing horrendous mocking moves as we as a collective population have been subjected to ….

Maybe this poster feels that this woman and so many of us are just performatively outraged…. And not fucking livid!

I just watched it again. Nope. Cannot see any other reason to mention the following:

‘She reminds me of all the scumbags who started screeching at Nike for making Colin Kaepernick the face of an advertisement after he kneeled instead of standing during the US national anthem.’

unless you were trying to draw the parallel that she is a screeching scumbag for protesting the paid sponsorship of a male who performed moves that have been used to mock girls and women for as long as girl’s and women’s movements have been mocked.

There seems no other reason to have posted that comment otherwise. So it is reasonable to assume misogyny motivates this. Someone vilifying a woman for protesting Nike’s poor decision to use a male influencer to inspire female sport’s performance Ie. For Nike to use a male to advertise female sportswear. It is misogynistic to vilify women’s choices to do this.

I think your comparison would be correct if you had given a supposed scenario of Rachel Dolezal being brought on board to do the collab as the face of a person of colour. Instead of an actual person of colour, like CK.

And, Rachel Dolezal prancing like an imbecile around the garden, to make some point or other.

Yes @landOFconfusion we know you do that, it’s good you are learning it’s a tired old technique, personal growth is always good.

@landOFconfusion

’Criticising a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist….’
No, those particular words don’t but I guarantee every post you write on this topic kind of does…

LandofConfusion just to clarify, do you think it’s ok for Mulvaney to be advertising bras? Female chest physiology and therefore bra needs are very very different from those of TW. It’s important that bra designers and manufacturers know this. By using Mulvaney, Nike is indicating that they don’t recognise this as being important. Of course women are angry about this, and want to protest. Especially if they’ve bought stuff from Nike which they believed was designed to protect them. In what way is that the same as the racist abuse triggered by Kaepernick’s protest?

You won’t answer obviously, but please do remember that TW are not women when, for example, considering their needs for equipment such as sports bras. Claiming they are is in nobody’s best interests

I can’t see the video from that link unfortunately. Has it been removed? Very symbolic and reminiscent of the 1968 freedom trash can and subsequent bra burning to counter female oppression, especially as we’ve now done a full circle in 2023 with the regression of women’s rights.