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Biological man not allowed to give blood because he refuses to say whether or not he's pregnant

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Gymnopedie · 13/04/2023 13:19

Link here (not the Daily Fail)

NHS Scotland (them again) can dress it up as being for donor safety all they like, but it's the trans agenda in fancy clothes.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/bonkers-male-blood-donor-turned-away-for-refusing-to-say-if-he-was-pregnant/ar-AA19OsCi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=acc41f676b344dd2a6bfbba03d49923a&ei=33

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TheBiologyStupid · 13/04/2023 20:22

HootyMcBooby76 · 13/04/2023 18:07

The NHS is completely and utterly captured beyond help.
My 71 year old Mother had a stroke last year, was left lying on a trolley in the corridor of A&E for 14 hours. When a doctor finally spoke to her the FIRST question of out her mouth was "how do you identify?".

To a confused, scared, semi paralysed 71 year old woman.

She took one look at my face and went on to the next question.

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Good grief, that's totally batshit. I hope your mother is OK now after that terrible wait.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2023 20:56

The damage this nonsense is doing to the credibility of medics is appalling. I understand that it's often a tick box but when you hear of men being asked if they could be pregnant & clueless hcps using language like cervix / uterus havers and asking unwell 71 year olds how they identify I just assume that the individual is not fit for purpose - poorly trained and in the grip of a delusion.

They really need to return to using medically factual and accurate language and not gender woowoo speak. 🙄

Helleofabore · 13/04/2023 21:12

Palmfrond · 13/04/2023 15:29

I couldn’t access the article but was the question a spoken one or one on a form, because Im pretty sure I’ve ticked “no” to that question before on an NHS form before (despite me being a man).
And, at risk of being roasted, in a world where trans men exist, is it not a pertinent question?

How about every single adult person get a grip and admit their sex. And so on a document where it asks for sex, adults tick the sex they are and none of this crap needs to be added where irrelevant for the sex.

The issue is because some people cannot admit the sex they are because they believe gender is key.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/04/2023 22:00

I stopped donating blood in the '80s - the questioning was becoming onerous even then. (I remember being asked if I'd visited a Communist country in the past six months and wondering, "when did that became contagious?" Forty years on, and ideology does indeed appear to be transmissible.)

BenCoopersSupportWren · 14/04/2023 06:59

If I’m ever asked if I could be pregnant in a situation like this - not that I can donate blood, unfortunately - I’ve determined to just keep asking questions (I’m in my 50s and menopausal so the chances are minute and getting smaller each passing day.) “How would I know if I can get pregnant? What’s the criteria for being able to get pregnant? Why is it important to know if I could be pregnant? What difference would it make if I were pregnant?” just for the sheer bloody-minded satisfaction of highlighting the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in this ridiculous ideology.

Chersfrozenface · 14/04/2023 07:13

BenCoopersSupportWren · 14/04/2023 06:59

If I’m ever asked if I could be pregnant in a situation like this - not that I can donate blood, unfortunately - I’ve determined to just keep asking questions (I’m in my 50s and menopausal so the chances are minute and getting smaller each passing day.) “How would I know if I can get pregnant? What’s the criteria for being able to get pregnant? Why is it important to know if I could be pregnant? What difference would it make if I were pregnant?” just for the sheer bloody-minded satisfaction of highlighting the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in this ridiculous ideology.

Actually, I'm going to memorise those questions.

Because the next inoculation I have, there's a good chance I'll be asked.

Marchintospring · 14/04/2023 07:28

Cheesedoffandgrumpy · 13/04/2023 16:00

Why could he just not say no?
He was being difficult. It is physically impossible for me to be pregnant too, but I would not kick up a fuss on a standardised form!

“Being difficult” because as a doctor sex matters. Only one sex can get pregnant. Pregnancy has serious medical implications including death. Implying men can also get pregnant is both dangerous, wrong and a waste of resources.

I’m not sure on the post menopausal woman question given IV treatment. Better to ask maybe.

TodayInahurry · 14/04/2023 07:58

To be honest, the NHS is beyond repair. They say they want blood donations but people stop because of this insane ideology. No other country has a health service like this that fails on every level and shows no sign of improvement

GingerbreadBaking · 14/04/2023 08:54

TodayInahurry · 14/04/2023 07:58

To be honest, the NHS is beyond repair. They say they want blood donations but people stop because of this insane ideology. No other country has a health service like this that fails on every level and shows no sign of improvement

The NHS has been ruined by various ideologies and this was the final nail. You can throw more taxpayers money at it and it will be wasted as it always is, the is no science to follow in the NHS, just ideologies.

Tessisme · 14/04/2023 10:02

Laughable. If it wasn't so serious. I despair when I think of today's teenage boys, in the future, simply answering such a question without demur because they have been so indoctrinated with this absolute nonsense that it is normalised.

LlynTegid · 14/04/2023 10:49

I have given blood over 50 times and unless I have forgotten it's on the questionnaire, never been asked. When my form is checked, only seem ever to ask where I've been abroad.

ReadersD1gest · 14/04/2023 10:52

Olane · 13/04/2023 16:02

He should have asked them to do a quick pregnancy test on him to confirm his pregnancy status.

Exactly!

SerendipityJane · 14/04/2023 13:18

Tessisme · 14/04/2023 10:02

Laughable. If it wasn't so serious. I despair when I think of today's teenage boys, in the future, simply answering such a question without demur because they have been so indoctrinated with this absolute nonsense that it is normalised.

Which is the entire point.

FatFucker · 14/04/2023 13:36

I've got to be honest I was a tad disappointed that my dentist didn't ask me if there was a possibility I could be pregnant when I was getting an X-ray of my mouth.

He was absolutely mortified when I asked "Does that mean I'm officially old if you don't ask me if I could be pregnant?"

I console myself thinking he probably saw my date of birth on the screen rather than that I look old ;)

MavisMcMinty · 14/04/2023 13:51

I’ve seen tweets from people boasting about the hard time they give health professionals over (admittedly stupid) questions like asking a man if he’s pregnant, but always think ‘Oh FFS, just say “no” and move on to the next question, how hard can it be? Why all the melodrama?’

Maybe it’s because I was a health professional for 35 years?

I’m asked if I’m pregnant at every mammogram, but don’t kick off just because I’m post-menopausal. They’re just standard questions.

ReadersD1gest · 14/04/2023 14:05

MavisMcMinty · 14/04/2023 13:51

I’ve seen tweets from people boasting about the hard time they give health professionals over (admittedly stupid) questions like asking a man if he’s pregnant, but always think ‘Oh FFS, just say “no” and move on to the next question, how hard can it be? Why all the melodrama?’

Maybe it’s because I was a health professional for 35 years?

I’m asked if I’m pregnant at every mammogram, but don’t kick off just because I’m post-menopausal. They’re just standard questions.

"Are you pregnant" has never been a standard question to ask a man, give over.
Meekly going along with obvious nonsense is what landed us in this mess to begin with.

Cinnamon23 · 14/04/2023 14:13

It’s total idiocy. Someone could really need that blood and they’re preventing him from doing a good thing that could save a life because he won’t pander to their agenda.

He’s a biological man. He is not pregnant,
as he can’t be.
Good for him standing up for himself.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 14/04/2023 14:18

Are you pregnant? is a standard question for women

asking a man is completely batshit

Marchintospring · 14/04/2023 14:45

MavisMcMinty · 14/04/2023 13:51

I’ve seen tweets from people boasting about the hard time they give health professionals over (admittedly stupid) questions like asking a man if he’s pregnant, but always think ‘Oh FFS, just say “no” and move on to the next question, how hard can it be? Why all the melodrama?’

Maybe it’s because I was a health professional for 35 years?

I’m asked if I’m pregnant at every mammogram, but don’t kick off just because I’m post-menopausal. They’re just standard questions.

Asking admittedly stupid questions as part of the formal process implies it’s not a stupid question at all though.

Sex matters because men and women are different . Even with blood. Men are more at risk of problems with blood donated from women who have been pregnant.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2657356

If the NHS are not acknowledging the very basics of science why should anyone else?

Blood Transfusions From Previously Pregnant Women and Mortality

The availability of large databases of blood donors and transfusion recipients has facilitated investigation of associations of donor characteristics with recipient outcomes. These databases are available in Sweden-Denmark, Canada, and the Netherlands,...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2657356

jannier · 14/04/2023 14:56

What's the problem if you want not to be discriminated against why get defensive when your not? I'm 60 and still asked if I could be pregnant shall I have an agent rubbing it in wobble? She would have complained if they hadn't asked too

MavisMcMinty · 14/04/2023 14:57

Oh that’s interesting, @Marchintospring - your link wanted me to subscribe so I couldn’t read it, but I did google, and the antibodies produced during pregnancy are thought to make it harder to find a good cross-match with men. And is it correct that those antibodies persist after pregnancies, even short-lived pregnancies?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/04/2023 15:09

My DH had radiotherapy every weekday for five weeks ; every single time they asked him if he was pregnant. Every single day.

the radiotherapy was for prostrate cancer……

ReadersD1gest · 14/04/2023 15:20

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/04/2023 15:09

My DH had radiotherapy every weekday for five weeks ; every single time they asked him if he was pregnant. Every single day.

the radiotherapy was for prostrate cancer……

Wtf?

Marchintospring · 14/04/2023 15:22

@MavisMcMinty ah sorry. I got in via another site. Yes, even short lived although I don’t think they’ve researched it fully.

What I did find interesting was another study which suggested there were sex based differences and men were more at risk from female blood but they couldn’t say why. Pregnancy didn’t seem to be mentioned. Demonstrating the very reason it’s really important that women aren’t considered “other” versions of men. Our female only biological processes matter
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9198942/

Donor-recipient sex is associated with transfusion-related outcomes in critically ill patients

Transfusion of red blood cells (RBCs) from female donors has been associated with increased risk of mortality. This study aims to investigate the associations between donor-recipient sex and posttransfusion mortality and morbidity in critically ill pa...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9198942/