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Drag queen storytime should be allowed in schools for ‘inclusivity’, says teachers’ union

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ChristinaXYZ · 05/04/2023 15:41

I cannot understand why any teacher continues with his or her membership of the NEU.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/05/drag-queen-story-time-allowed-schools-teachers-union-neu/

"Drag queens should be invited into schools to help challenge the “heteronormative culture and curriculum”, the country’s biggest teaching union has said.

Members of the National Education Union (NEU) voted to support initiatives like drag queen storytime at a conference in Harrogate on Wednesday morning.

Drag queens and LGBT+ authors visiting schools challenge the “heteronormative culture and curriculum that dominates education”, the approved motion stated.

NEU members agreed that the Government is “creating a hostile environment” for trans people by blocking Scotland’s gender reform plans to allow people over 16 to change their legal sex by signing a statutory declaration.

This has “encouraged the far-Right to organise further attacks on drag queen storytime and has created an atmosphere where hate crime can thrive,” they said.

Shelby Millard, a teacher at the conference, told delegates: “The fact that Rishi Sunak has used Section 35 to stop the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Act is sickening.”

She claimed that he is “supporting the far-Right attacks on drag queen story time”."

Much more on the Telegraph linked above.

Alternative trades unions for teachers and lecturers include Affinity https://workaffinity.co.uk/ or if you just want the backing of some legal advice Edapt (not a trades union , edu-law specialist, not quite the same) https://www.edapt.org.uk/ . Teachers in my family have mostly recently switched to Edapt but if their schools were particularly tough or employment likely to be less stable they'd have gone for Affinity.

Drag queen storytime should be allowed in schools for ‘inclusivity’, says teachers’ union

National Education Union vote for drag queen storytime visits to challenge the ‘heteronormative culture and curriculum’ in education

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/05/drag-queen-story-time-allowed-schools-teachers-union-neu

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raspberrywine · 06/04/2023 20:55

Musk has undoubtedly allowed more free speech. Glinner was allowed back on after years, as he should be, wonderful man.

As a side note, Musk was going to publish Twitter's algorithms, has that happened yet?

ResisterRex · 07/04/2023 09:32

Thank you for the info, Warrior. I tried to read it and it really is word salad! The most I can make out now is that the papers have said it's NEU, and there's been an apology issued through the NEU spokesperson. From an outside perspective, it has an NEU stamp on it - rightly or wrongly.

(Putting this on the right thread now Blush oops!)

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2023 09:38

You can see why unions and Labour party are so close. The grassroots politics on this is gender ideology over all else

WarriorN · 07/04/2023 11:22

there's been an apology issued through the NEU spokesperson

@ResisterRex has there? I've found it hard to make head nor tail but have been party to some messages from people there. It seems to have been voted through by the conference but proposed by the NEU lgbt group?

But I'm not sure the conference know what they're actually voting for.

The link above is a tad concerning as they're effectively / potentially reducing the numbers of women on the lgbt board.

Neu seem to have quotas for women due to the workforce being so female dominated

WarriorN · 07/04/2023 11:30

I know via sources Kev doesn't approve and has tried to communicate the issues.

He also posted this yesterday

Drag queen storytime should be allowed in schools for ‘inclusivity’, says teachers’ union
AsTreesWalking · 07/04/2023 11:40

Oh bloody hell. I became part of the neu when the union I joined because it actually acknowledged librarians as professionals was merged. I'll save some money, I suppose.

ResisterRex · 07/04/2023 11:48

WarriorN · 07/04/2023 11:22

there's been an apology issued through the NEU spokesperson

@ResisterRex has there? I've found it hard to make head nor tail but have been party to some messages from people there. It seems to have been voted through by the conference but proposed by the NEU lgbt group?

But I'm not sure the conference know what they're actually voting for.

The link above is a tad concerning as they're effectively / potentially reducing the numbers of women on the lgbt board.

Neu seem to have quotas for women due to the workforce being so female dominated

Yes, here. From 5 April:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942927/Teachers-support-drag-queen-story-time-events-boost-inclusivity-schools-NEU-says.html

"Ms Millard, a teacher from Greenshaw High School in Sutton, south London, issued her allegations against Mr Sunak during the debate over LGBT initiatives.
She told delegates: 'The fact that Rishi Sunak has used section 35 [the Westminster Government's powers to overrule the Scottish Parliament] to stop the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Act is sickening.
'He is supporting the far right attacks on Drag Queen Storytime. He is supporting the murder of beautiful souls like Brianna [Ghey]. He is saying hate and abuse is fine. We won't stand for this.'
Ms Millard is just eight months into her role as a geography teacher at the high school. She graduated from Bournemouth University in 2017 with a degree in archaeology. Just hours after making the allegations, Ms Millard apologised and withdrew the claim against the Prime Minister.
An NEU spokesman said: 'The teacher concerned unreservedly apologises for the wording in her conference speech. She apologises and withdraws the specific allegation that Rishi Sunak supported the murder of a young trans girl.
'Many trans and non-binary teachers feel strongly that the Government is not doing enough to support them but it is essential that we always debate policy solutions in calm and measured ways.'"

The article also says this of the wider implications for NEU:

"During yesterday's debate union members voted to support events aimed at creating a 'more inclusive atmosphere' in schools. They supported ideas like 'Drag Queen Storytime', which some critics have accused of peddling woke 'gender ideology' and sexualised material to children.
The union will now 'publicly support initiatives like Drag Queen Storytime to develop a more inclusive atmosphere in schools'. It also proposes to 'create a guidance booklet on how to set up an LGBT+ space/lunch clubs' in schools so that they become 'usualised'."

RealityFan · 07/04/2023 11:55

What is it with the left? They really want the backlash?

All that matters to them is proving they're more virtuous than the unwashed masses, feel compelled to "teach" the masses to be "better" people.

And if we don't "learn" and "repent", then we're irreconcilable racists, sexists, homophobes, and now transphobes.

It's as if the religious impulse really does run deep.

Of course, as the mainstream fight back, we can't use the words grooming or sexualising or programming. Because this is the language of the far right. Despite the fact that 99% of citizens opposed to this evolution in mores are just ordinary concerned people, nowhere near the far right.

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:13

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

Apologies if I have posted here already. Irish parents are fighting back. They got a pornograhic book removed off the schools curriculum yesterday. If was teach teaching 12 year old children about anal sex positions.

"Keep gender ideology out of schools": Protesters gather in Dublin - Gript

“Keep gender ideology out of schools”: Parents gather in Fingal to protest against radical sex ed material in schools. #gript

https://gript.ie/keep-gender-ideology-out-of-schools-protesters-gather-in-dublin

Bláthannabuí · 07/04/2023 12:14

Please watch accompanying video these parents voices need to be heard far & wide.

ChristinaXYZ · 07/04/2023 16:54

RealityFan · 07/04/2023 11:55

What is it with the left? They really want the backlash?

All that matters to them is proving they're more virtuous than the unwashed masses, feel compelled to "teach" the masses to be "better" people.

And if we don't "learn" and "repent", then we're irreconcilable racists, sexists, homophobes, and now transphobes.

It's as if the religious impulse really does run deep.

Of course, as the mainstream fight back, we can't use the words grooming or sexualising or programming. Because this is the language of the far right. Despite the fact that 99% of citizens opposed to this evolution in mores are just ordinary concerned people, nowhere near the far right.

They, the left, don't care who gets hurt in the process. They just want to make everything so transgressive till there is nothing left to transgress. They hate boundaries and will bully those who support them. They terrify me. It is a kind of survival of the fittest movement. That's the logical result of all this boundary tearing down, the undermining of democracy (like the lies about Sunak that even the NEU had to appologise for), the demonisation of women, attempts to wreak the traditional family (I don't mean old style necessarily: I mean any stable family unit with two parents in it for the long haul, or a stable single parent, where the adults repsect the nature of childhood and protect the children whilst promoting their future), etc.

What worries me about the Labour party and some of the more prominent or influential trades unions is they are lead by white blokes and women who seem to be trying to get on through being worse than the men on women's rights. (I am thinking Lisa Nandy with her TWAW and belong in women's prisons and the woman who leads the university union that undermined Kathleen Stock). The rest are just blokes bulldozing us in silence and complicity (if they can). Meanwhile there's another thread on here full of left-wingers kicking Suella Braverman. They cannot bear women or ethinic minorities being on the right of centre; they want them nodding along to their own transgressive ideologies otherwise they want them silent.

You've made some damn good points throughout @RealityFan

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RealityFan · 07/04/2023 17:17

Thank you, Christina. I do hear the angst in your voice, I share it in my own XX related way.

Not being a woman, and not having children, thus not under threat personally from the movement, my disquiet is coming from a more free speech, linguistic, cancel culture, logic/paradox point of view, laced with a heavy dose of being tuned in to what you're all going thru.

Indeed I've done my best on my personal journey to unwind the whole sorry riddle wrapped in a conundrum.

Or is that practical joke wrapped in a satirical post modern theatre and multi media installation?

Of course, the joke is on women (at GC men's expense as well), and the multi media event is as broad as you can imagine.

And as every denial from the left comes in (Libs Of TikTok clips are cherry picked, activist DQs only want to read to kids, there is no ambiguity between their adult kink acts and their child-appropriate "day" jobs, any objection is Rightist fanning of the culture war, stopping activist DQs going into schools is reminiscent of the toxic days of Thatchers anti-gays in education crusade etc), we see how much the pressure to make this happen from the left is stepped up. This in and of itself is proof it is political, not educational or egalitarian in intent.

And no-one seems to be able to answer this. How is it that it's only the DQs that are available and motivated to go into schools in great numbers?

Where are the actors, poets, retired teachers who can put in a few hours, language specialists, authors, public speakers, cartoonists etc etc?

How about mums, grandmums, dads, granddads, anyone at large who has time and enthusiasm?

Out of the whole arts and academic fraternity, and community at large, it's just the DQs that can/are doing this?

Of course there'd be no political angle or barrier breaking if the Womens Institute or scout masters went in instead.

ResisterRex · 08/04/2023 07:22

The Times has a long article on the NEU, whose head got in on a 9% turnout. It's hard to understand why the NEU would get involved in Ukraine? And DQST, of course

NEU head is a Nato critic and calls Britain brutally racist

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f7610272-d55e-11ed-9f4d-c5bd4b89feab?shareToken=7dad6014a1857233e5d7b65fa7a02982

"Kebede offered his solidarity to the people of Ukraine before getting to the nub of the matter, as he saw it. “The conflict between Russia and Ukraine must not lead to the expansion and consolidation of military alliances in Europe, which can only threaten future stability for all and hasten the likelihood of further conflicts and wars,” he tweeted.

The intervention — a rehashing of left-wing criticism of Nato in the build-up to the conflict — left many teachers puzzled about why a union meant to represent their interests felt the need to become involved. Others described Kebede as “shameless” and cancelled their memberships.

Questions about Kebede’s political stance intensified last week when he was chosen to become the first sole general secretary of the NEU while it is locked in a fractious pay dispute with the government.

With the support of the NEU Left faction and branches across the country, he overwhelmingly defeated the moderate candidate Niamh Sweeney, who was championed by the current president and other former leaders. The voting turnout was only 9 per cent."

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 07:57

Thanks Bláthannabuí, that's brilliant work!

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:02

Thanks resister.

Kebede, who has also taught in Lambeth in south London, was in a relationship with Corbynite MP Laura Pidcock, with whom he has a young son. The pair still jointly own a house in Durham that they bought in 2017.

Remind me, is pidcock GC?

She wrote this a while ago

tribunemag.co.uk/2019/05/why-we-need-a-socialist-feminism?fbclid=IwAR0J0ubM0XhFgcYq4ZODYP-9VPwSUjFLaEGOwrnUPiOmBElovMuni4imVSg

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:03

I'm uncertain if my membership can continue with neu.

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:05

With the support of the NEU Left faction and branches across the country, he overwhelmingly defeated the moderate candidate Niamh Sweeney, who was championed by the current president and other former leaders. The voting turnout was only 9 per cent.

I'll hold my hand up as say I missed the letter. Or didn't open it.

They led an aggressive text campaign for the strikes. But it made it easier to vote. It was simply reply with 1 or 2. They should have done the same for voting leaders.

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:07

I have seen a militavmcy in younger teachers that I've never been aware of in over 20 years of teaching I have to say.

Many left other unions to join the neu in order to strike.

I suspect less will strike on the next lot though due to gcses and cost. The youngest ones were shocked at their pay.

ResisterRex · 08/04/2023 08:16

They led an aggressive text campaign for the strikes. But it made it easier to vote. It was simply reply with 1 or 2. They should have done the same for voting leaders.

Is that allowed in the rules? As in - the opening up of votes to strike by text? How do they count the votes and lawfully process your data and/or without you being identified for one, and how do they justify a vote for a strike in this way and not for the leader?

I'm sorry for teachers if this is what they've got for a union.

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:30

Ah sorry, it was a series of texts / survey to see if you would vote yes or no.

Then MANY texts to remind you to vote in the envelope.

To me however it helped me to make a decision and reminded me to open and post the letter.

Then we were asked by text if we accepted or rejected the pay offer.

WarriorN · 08/04/2023 08:31

Then we were asked by text if we accepted or rejected the pay offer.

Again I think a survey? As I think they'd already decided?

Bláthannabuí · 08/04/2023 19:24

https://gript.ie/that-book-was-gay-and-therefore-sacrosanct/

So sickened that this book was recommended to Irish school children aged 12-14 by the Department of education . Please let me know if you think this is suitable material... What are they trying to do to our children?

That book was gay, which was why nobody questioned it - Gript

The things it is dangerous to question.

https://gript.ie/that-book-was-gay-and-therefore-sacrosanct

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