Claim Posie said Cis gender women being blended in to meat by transwomen for human consumption

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The TRA who fuelled the protests against Kelly J Keen in New Zealand has also made this outrageous statement.
They seem to be allowed to say any old crap without any evidence whatsoever.

https://twitter.com/aja02537920/status/1642948148501917698?s=46&t=KoykWa-IFitZMrteWP2pKA

We can all listen to it. She said ‘what we know is that there’s grooming gangs in Telford’ and continues. She then said ‘I think’ before talking about this poor girl.

We do know there’s grooming gangs in Telford. Stop being disingenuous, the ‘what we know is’ was not in reference to this case, as you well know

I've just realised that that Posie Parker clip is from last year. How come people are just bringing it up now?

It is? When Derek? Was it just topical that it was brought up this week and coincided with this week's new?

said:

"She has called for the forceable sterilisation of trans people. ‘

I thought the hormones and the surgeries did that on a voluntary basis.

Do you think that KJK therefore invites the kind of hyperbole being spouted by Lal as a result of comments like this about the Charlene Downes case? Is it a fairly inevitable outcome?

I don't know the truth of what happened to Charlene Downes. Sadly, only the people involved in her disappearance do. But I believe it is completely wrong when someone in the public spotlight and commanding attention says statements like that which are false. It's wrong because it excites feelings in people based on a false premise. And it's foolish because it allows the guy/woman(? I dunno) to scorn her and make her sound like a crackpot. Be honest, if this Lal accused Maya Forrester of grinding up a transman in a meat grinder with no evidence, would you not be dismissive about everything else they said?

So if Lal mocks her for what she's said, then I don't have much sympathy because she opened that door. Which is not to say I agree what Lal says about trans issues. In fact I don't see PPs meat grinder comments had anything to do with transgender issues so I don't know what s/he's going on about. But then she goes on to say people in power are raping children or enjoy the idea of raping children. Ugh. Really after everything that happened over Carl Beech?

I might agree with some of her ideas, I don't know, certainly that short clip doesn't inspire me to listen to much she has to say. I just support her right to give her opinion without being physically attacked or threatened - as long as it's truthful.

I presume it came up recently due to the dubious YouTube channel linked to on page one, which appears to be nothing but short clips of people TRAs don’t like, clipped out of context, presumably with the intention of making the subject look like a terrible person or a complete idiot.

If we did a Google search to find out where the clips have been shared (apart from here) we’d probably get a good idea of who is regurgitating tiny fragments of year-old live streams.

I don't know what our oh so always honest and correct press are claiming, but I've read the prosecution's claims, about the collapse of the police case, the inadequate evidence, and the criticism of Lancs police by the IPCC. But I guess that doesn't sell as many papers as a meat grinder and Saturday night kebabs! 🙄

Oldest video uploaded is the stupid ‘blurred out hand because NZ news media fell for a 5 year old 4Chan hoax’ clip.

I don't know why you're rolling your eyes at me. We are on a thread discussing inaccuracy and lies in the media!

Good for you for reading further. Sadly not everyone will.

He's not mocking her. He's genuinely asserting that KJK believes that trans people kidnap girls to etc etc (I can't bear to write it again). Which she obvious doesn't. She's talking about safeguarding for starters, and about the lack of interest in investigating grooming gangs.

Some people in positions of power do rape children. They seek out power in order to be more able to cover up what they're doing. If any time anyone talks about that as a concept it's dismissed as conspiracy theories that's not helping safeguard children. We should be able to discuss how people in power can be held to the same safeguarding as anyone else without fear or favour.

Then listen to it again because what you're saying is not true. She said...

"What we know is that throughout this UK right this second I'm what we know is tha there's grooming gangs in Telford, a young woman who never actually made it to mainstream news, wasn't a big story, was cut up and I think she was put in sort of meat that was sold for human consumption"

She links both those stories to what we know is true, ie, that she was cut up. The 'I think' refers to her being put in kebabs as opposed to her being put in dog food fr example (Ugh, it feels awful even thinking of these examples.) But there is no idea of her being cut up only be a hypothetical or a possibility.

My rolling eyes is because the story of this poor girls disappearance isn't enough for the press, instead they have to peddle rumours to get people to buy a newspaper.

Oh ok, apologies.

When Charlene's brother died a couple of years ago, nearly all newspapers repeated the allegation.

Some of the headlines were awful.

He's not mocking her. He's genuinely asserting that KJK believes that trans people kidnap girls to etc etc (I can't bear to write it again). Which she obvious doesn't. She's talking about safeguarding for starters, and about the lack of interest in investigating grooming gangs.

I agree. I said that I didn't know where he got the idea that she was referring to transpeoole from.

Some people in positions of power do rape children. They seek out power in order to be more able to cover up what they're doing. If any time anyone talks about that as a concept it's dismissed as conspiracy theories that's not helping safeguard children. We should be able to discuss how people in power can be held to the same safeguarding as anyone else without fear or favour.

We went through all this with Carl Beech. How the people in all those positions of power were involve in one huge paedophile ring, raping and murdering children. People's lives were destroyed over the Mets obsession which lasted for 2 years. And there were many people across the country, and on MN, who eagerly believed 100% of what was being said.
I'm sure there are pedophiles in all strata of society. Im sure some use their position for I'll means. But the idea that social workers, the police, the cps, politicians are riddled with paedophiles, just covering up crimes of these grooming gangs is so extreme.
Of course discussion is fine but it seems to me like PP is much more interested in her theories than in actual facts.

@DerekFaker Thanks. It's difficult to convey tone in these posts. Sorry if you felt I was having a go at you.

I agree. Isn't it hard enough for the parents to be wondering every day of their lives without lurid, unsubstantiated tales being rehashed? You've got to wonder if journalists ever think of the ramifications of what they write.

Of course discussion is fine but it seems to me like PP is much more interested in her theories than in actual facts.

TBF to Posie I don’t think she’d have a problem with being categorised as free wheeling, big ideas person, rather than a nitty-gritty fact checking person!

which is why she is best when she sticks to the really simple truths and communicates them unequivocally, ie no woman has a penis, humans can’t change sex and children and adolescents cannot meaningfully consent to transition.

In an ideal world she’d have a fact checker present for every broadcast (like Joe Rogan’s Jamie!) but as she’s one gloriously gobby woman alone in her converted garage office she does sometimes say stuff that isn’t quite accurate or that lands wrong (and that can be clipped or cropped by Posie’s detractors to make sure they land wrong).

Posie needs a careful, cautious, rigorous academic sidekick (shame Julia Long has jettisoned academia!)

In an ideal world she’d have a fact checker present for every broadcast (like Joe Rogan’s Jamie!) but as she’s one gloriously gobby woman alone in her converted garage office she does sometimes say stuff that isn’t quite accurate or that lands wrong (and that can be clipped or cropped by Posie’s detractors to make sure they land wrong).

But it's not as if being a super-meticulous fact-checker who never gets anything wrong or says anything that can be taken out of context improves the situation.

Case study: Jesse Singal.

It's not as if he's treated with any more respect or they don't just make shit up about him. Possibly they lie even more egregiously, because they have to totally invent things, rather than distort things.

Good point, well made!

Jesse Singal is extremely diligent at fine tooth combing and double checking everything and the TRAs hate him almost as much as they hate Posie - Posie gets a bit extra on top for being female!

All this "is what KJK said absolutely accurate and sensitivity checked, fact checked, purity tested, has someone right wing repeated it, agreed with it is crazy is unbelievable.

The dude that chopped it up and regurgitated insane vomit was lauded on TV and a sensible woman ridiculed.

Most of the posts here are ignoring that.

Fuck me. The liars have done a number on us all. I expect normal unconvoluted opinion in NZ is a bit less expecting of word for word forensic analysis of how stupid this idiot is.

In my opinion she is a Nutter! 😁

At risk of derailing, I wanted to answer a particular point of yours here @CryptoFascistMadameCholet .
I don't think there is anything controversial about what you point out. But those of us who object to another point entirely are often wrongly assumed to be objecting to what you've said.

I think two claims are often mixed up.

Firstly, that there are observable patterns, as you point out.

Secondly, that the police failed to tackle one particular group because of political correctness/fear of appearing racist.

I would say that the first claim is obviously true, as you've shown. The second is obviously bullshit, and was just an excuse used by various police forces - an excuse readily accepted by the kind of people who claim "you can't say anything without being called racist".

My problem with this is that people like me, who criticise the second claim, are accused of denying the first claim (that patterns do exist and should be recognised in order to prevent and prosecute crime) and castigated as do gooders and paedophile enablers, or accused ourselves of seeing racism everywhere and using it to avoid hard questions.

It seems true to me that "Tommy Robinson types" are indeed often coming at this from a racist angle (NOTE I DON'T MEAN POSIE PARKER) otherwise they would be just animated about other types of paedophillia committed disproportionately by white people, and it should be okay to say that without being accused of being on the side of rapists.

No need to apologise for derailing!

As I’m sure you noticed, I did not make the second point.

And I clearly have a problem with all paedos (and other non paedo predators & sex offenders), not just paedos of a particular geographical heritage.

IMO most police forces are similarly crap at dealing with all sex offenders, either due to ineptness or disinterest or self interest or the costs of a complex investigation or whatever (eg Saville).

Making things seem like controversial, not-socially-acceptable topics for discussion has certainly been a convenient tool for transactivism so I can see how it could be used as a convenient tool in other situations.

A void for Tommy Robinson to slither into is an unfortunate side effect of that silence.

Likewise x