Community sentence for rape of a 13 year old

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Wtf?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65164041

Please withdraw this comment. This is a very serious and disturbing case but it is not a trans issue.

Fucking contemptible.

I hope the appeal is successful.

This is absolutely appalling.

Also:
"Donald Findlay KC, defending, told the court an appeal was planned.
A spokesperson for the Crown Office said: "As with all cases, the Crown will consider the sentence and give consideration to whether it might be unduly lenient.""

Am I confused - does this mean the defendant, ie the rapist, is planning to appeal the sentence?!

@FloatingRodger Yes, the defendant is planning to appeal the sentence (and possibly the conviction, it’s not clear). The Crown can also appeal the sentence if it’s thought to be too lenient.

@Seriouslythoughwhatthehell I thought this as well, that it would turn out to be a relationship where practically the girl had consented to sex but legally she couldn’t. Horrified to find out the truth.

What is wrong with people? Is misogyny so profoundly ingrained? Don't some of these people have daughters?

WTF? He RAPES a 13 year old and doesn't get a day in jail.

No.

This is utterly wrong.

Scotland is no land for women.

BellaAmorosa

while this particular crime is not, it is another example of Scotland’s disgusting treatment of women in general as shown by their behaviour towards a trans rapist until the public outcry.

please don’t police what other women say on here.

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Females bodies matter

This is disgusting.
What a surprise from a society increasingly willing to throw female rights down the toilet and allow violence against females to avoid offending some violent nasty angry males.

I'd agree. Sexual violence against women and girls is being normalised in Scotland. Those who offend are unlikely to go to court and if they do so unlikely to get convicted and if they do they get a slap on the wrist. A colleagues daughter was raped in school. The boy wasn't even expelled, so she saw him everyday, and the other girls were awful to her, calling her names, saying she was a liar. Poor girl was pulled out to be homeschooled as she was suicidal.

But it is all linked; the disregard for women and girls, telling people women and girls boundaries including sexual boundaries and bodily auto only is hateful, the pushing for lower ages of consent, the RHSE in schools…

In England the public can request a sentence be reviewed. Am I right in thinking the equivalent doesn’t exist in Scotland?

Another thing to 'thank' Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP for

THIS

The sentence is being appealed as too lenient.

'Donald Findlay KC, defending, told the court an appeal was planned.
A spokesperson for the Crown Office said: "As with all cases, the Crown will consider the sentence and give consideration to whether it might be unduly lenient."'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65164041

Sorry, I see someone already responded. I'm a bit confused, now. He's appealing community service? FFS.

It's horrific.
DH has a colleague whose family have been affected by a tragic event and finally the perpetrator is going to trial. Despite the seriousness of the crime, DH's colleague has been told that it's unlikely there will be a custodial sentence as he is under 25.
The crime above happened very close to where I live and the community is angry.

A man who carried out multiple rapes on the same child likes it. He's going to bloody love getting away with community service.

I am not for one minute trying to condone this, but am wondering if there was some sort of relationship between them...as I am struggling to understand how more than one encounter in a public park happened? How could they have met up on more than one occasion without some level of consent (coerced? Some kind of abusive relationship)? I read his defence was that each sexual act/encounter had been consented to...

Arseholes. He raped a young girl. I don't care that he was 17 at the time. She fucking wasnt! She'll still be remembering when he's long forgotten what her name was.

@Gymrabbit
You said something that I thought was wrong, might get reported and, if others latched onto it, might result in the thread being taken down. I'm not going into it any further because I don't want to derail.

@Shelefttheweb
The guidelines apply to a group of offenders - under-25s of both sexes, I assume - rather than a type of crime - MVAWG. I agree the guidelines are terrible and that not just Scotland but the whole world is a cesspit of misogyny at the moment in all its hideous forms but the guidelines themselves are not misogynistic. The "individualistic approach" to sentencing seems to me to erase the victim and their experience. In this case that effect is egregious because the rape is so personal and the victim is so young. However, whatever the crime is, the guidelines say that the judge has to focus on the effect of any sentence on the aim of rehabilitation of the offender. It's not that the guidelines are motivated by misogyny, it's the effect of them in this instance. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to split hairs, honestly!

It does.

Criminal law was created to stop communities handing out their own violent justice. When the legal system fails this badly, it makes it so much more likely that violence will be the end result.

And, all this ‘brains aren’t mature until 25’ is such total nonsense. For most of human history, humans only lived until about 30. Deciding that the brain of a 25 year old is the norm that all younger brains are merely progressing towards is joke science.

In Scotland (and England and Wales, probably NI too, but I haven’t checked), there is no statutory rape law for children over 13. If someone is convicted of rape of a 13 year old, the child cannot have been consenting. The idea that the law can make rapists of a couple of teenagers fooling around is another misogynistic myth.

Sex with a consenting child over 13 is a crime, but it isn’t the crime of rape. In Scotland it’s the crime of “sex with an older child”. It’s under the same statute (Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009) but it isn’t rape and won’t be referred to as rape by the courts (or the papers - as that would be libel). It isn’t considered nearly as serious, as evidenced by the sentencing guidelines and the guidance to prosecutors that makes it clear the offence should not be used instead of prosecuting rape to try and secure a conviction when the child isn’t consenting because it seriously misrepresents the nature of the offence.

If the youth of the offender matters, why doesn't the youth of the victim?!

Did you read the article?

Court papers stated Hogg, of Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, threatened the girl, seized her by the wrists and forced her to carry out a sex act before raping her.

In any event, she was thirteen. Children cannot consent to sex. Not ever.

Meanwhile, the head of Rape Crisis in Edinburgh is a transwoman, so male, and has told survivors to "reframe their trauma".

The message from Scotland is loud and clear: the Scots, or at least the ones in power, think women and girls are worthless.

I'm quite keen on Scottish independence now, just to get rid of the misogynist bastards.